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  1. If you don't have free will, you can't take any responsibility.)

    On the other hand, if you do not take responsibility, there will be no will either…

  2. Harari, speaking of free will, implies complete autonomy of the act of decision-making from causal relationships. She's not here, of course. But for the imposition of moral responsibility, it is not required. The degree of freedom that is present is sufficient. People make decisions based on circumstances. The consequences of one's actions are the circumstances of making decisions. We hold people accountable so that they take into account when choosing actions that they will be held accountable. This scheme is completely independent of what Harari means by free will. In order for it to work, the ability to predict is enough, and no one has ever denied it.

  3. In my opinion, the contradiction here arises only within the framework of an objectivist rational view of the world. In the framework of this view, it is meaningless to talk about any free will at all, since everything is subject to the movement of elementary particles (ha-ha).

    Freedom of will, as well as responsibility for one's actions, are concepts of a purely subjective sphere. We all make choices. However, it is not always free. In the vast majority, it is dictated by the culture of the surrounding community and the one in which we grew up and were brought up. Most often, we are not even aware of the act of our choice. We can talk about free will only when we make a conscious choice.

    However, ” consciously “does not mean” intelligently”. I.e., a deliberate choice is not necessarily conscious, because our thinking is also a product of the culture of the environment, i.e. a program embedded in us. We can think carefully about everything, but when it turns out that we were wrong, we will curse ourselves, everyone and everyone who in any way could influence our thoughts and choices. This is irresponsibility, the inability to take responsibility for your choice. Not in front of anyone, but in front of yourself.

    A conscious choice can be made without any reflection at all. Mindfulness is not about being deliberate, but about taking all the risks and consequences of the chosen step. In acceptance. This is actually the responsibility for our actions, when we do not look for the basis of our actions in something external-in circumstances or in the actions of other people, but consider them as a consequence of the manifestation of our own and only our own will. In this case, we not only do not look for the reason for our failure in external circumstances or other people's actions, but also do not blame ourselves, because we realize that this is not a mistake, but simply a consequence of our choice, for which we were ready and accepted it in advance.

    Consideration and analysis of the situation in the case of rational choice is the setting of the result depending on external circumstances. However, mindfulness does not exclude thinking, but it is necessary not to make a decision, but to clearly understand the possible consequences. That is, you need a range of possible consequences in order to be prepared for them. However, some people prefer the unknown as a kind of game.

    So, if there is no free will for someone, then there is no free will for him, and his failures are a consequence of the circumstances that have developed. And the one for whom all the consequences of his actions are the consequences of the manifestation of his will, and not of circumstances, absolutely does not care what smart people say about the lack of free will. He and only he decides whether he has it or not.

  4. I do not know what Harari says, nor do I know who it is.

    I know that I always have the freedom to make my own choices. And that I am also fully responsible for it.

    If you are satisfied with the concept of a person's lack of free will , you can remain an amoeba. But I know one thing for sure-if you don't make the choice, there will always be those who will do it for you. If you are satisfied with this, please do so. But here, you see, it turns out that this is again your choice. Main. After that, you either become a person in the highest sense of the word, or you become a vegetable that doesn't care what anyone does with it.

    And Harari can “claim” what he wants – that's his own business.

  5. Putting forward for the possibility of responsibility the conditions of complete dependence of circumstances on our will-just the same destroys the whole meaning of this phenomenon.

    Everyone is responsible as much as they want to be.

    For the same Asians, with their karma, tribal and clan culture, impersonality and rebirths, with a pragmatic attitude to death and the body-that is, a culture where, it would seem, all the incentives to dissolve the individual, on the contrary, very often and vividly operates with the concept of responsibility, namely personal responsibility, just at the level of a cult, ritual.

    But the Europeans, with their Christianity and Islam, which seem to provide them with a cult of personality as unique, ultimate, valuable – on the contrary, at every step you come across a desire to escape from this responsibility.

    This is to the question “is it necessary”. To each – his own.

  6. That's how confusion arises )
    One said no, the other thought, ” How so?here, I wanted – sat down, wanted – got up ” )
    And all sorts of disputes begin, with quotations from “authoritative” treatises with the most convincing evidence.
    And the truth, as usual, is huddled in the background.
    And it would seem, because everything is elementary Watson ) and also quite obvious.
    If a person is free, he also has free will.
    If a person does not experience free will, then this is not because it does not exist in principle,
    but precisely for the very reason that a person is NOT free.
    Such a person is dependent, driven into the framework of all sorts of rules, generally accepted dogmas, teachings and concepts, someone else's will and again from childhood inspired, sometimes sanctimonious morality.
    And a person feels it, and understands it, but he can't admit it to himself, he doesn't have enough will )
    And how? After all, education, civilization, and the 21st scientific century are in the yard.
    No one wants to admit their servility and dependence on their own passions. Come on passions ) and also, in front of your supposedly ” own ” beliefs,
    ideas and stereotypes.
    And as for the responsibility, it is borne, in any case, by a free person and not a free one.
    The only difference is that the free one accepts it consciously.
    Not free.. because ) there is nowhere to go, with all the circumstances that follow, in the sense of)

  7. Dear Harari can say whatever he wants to say.But there are sources from which, and we should take examples! There is everything!!! What a person needs.

  8. Oddly enough, it is the responsibility for one's actions that is an example of unfreedom of the will. It is the fear of consequences, of having to answer, that is the causal relationship that determines the actions of a person who “took responsibility”
    . What does this even mean: “take responsibility”? It simply means that the person agrees to the following rules of the game:”if I screw up, then I will be bad”
    In the very formulation of the question, the illusion that a person has free will is preserved: what, allegedly, can be taken, or can not take responsibility
    The very idea of responsibility is the idea of “justice”: what, they say, is due for bad deeds (by whom!?) punishment, and, they say, if a person does not control his actions, then it is not necessary to punish him
    In fact, responsibility is not justice, as is mistakenly believed, but simply a way of negative reinforcement.
    Knowing that you will have to answer in the future changes a person's behavior in the present: there is nothing they can do about it. “To take or not to take responsibility” is also not a free choice, but a special case of the influence of this “awareness of possible consequences”: the possibility of consequences will frighten some, but it will not frighten others. In order to understand what caused this or that decision, you need psychoanalysis.
    And that is why we have the ILLUSION of free will: as Spinoza correctly pointed out, we do not know all the reasons that make us do this or that action

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