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  1. In my opinion, the paradigm from the book “Think Slowly… decide Quickly” by Daniel Kahneman applies here. If a decision is made quickly, then it is made by “System 1”, that is, the MSS (brain in the broad sense), bypassing consciousness, and consciousness takes credit for itself after the fact and comes up with why it decided so. But if the decision is made slowly, for example, it is hatched for several days, then this is “System 2”, that is, consciousness. This is its evolutionary meaning.

    Another theory is that there is no consciousness at all. Well, what evidence is there that it exists, except for the word to believe)

    The third theory is that yes, there is consciousness, but it doesn't solve anything and it has no evolutionary meaning, it is a random byproduct of brain evolution. It doesn't help, but it doesn't interfere either, so it doesn't fall off.

  2. It depends on what is meant by the word “we”.

    But I think now is the time to accept that terms like “consciousness”,” mind ” and so on cannot be used in isolation from physical processes, as something abstract.

    Our consciousness is not some kind of spiritual matter, but a certain state of neurons in our brain.

  3. This is how it should be. Consciousness is designed in such a way that it constantly learns itself. I'll give you a well-worn but popular example of driving a car.

    When we learn to drive, we are very tense because we perform a lot of movements with our hands and feet, coordinate them and simultaneously calculate the environment in the dynamics of movement. We perform all these actions consciously. This means that all of them are displayed on our Main Monitor of Consciousness (HMS) and are waiting for conscious decisions to be made. As you train, repetitive movements are no longer displayed on the HMS, but are performed under consciously.

    And over time, the whole process of driving a car is performed subconsciously, the tension of the decision-making center subsides,and we can display things that are completely unrelated to driving. For example, talking to a passenger or thinking about a problem.

    Our consciousness only observes (sees) the process of driving, but does not interfere with it completely.

    But as soon as something goes wrong, for example, a new sound in the wheel or in the engine, or an unusual situation on the road, the automatic machine working in the subconscious immediately displays the situation on the GMC for making an informed decision. If thinking has established that a new sound is normal and is associated with a change in the road surface, it is recorded in the subconscious mind as “our own” and we again display thoughts that are extraneous to driving on the HMS .If this is a breakdown, then the HMS is looking for solutions.

    In Libet's experience, a person is required to perform certain actions that have long been worked out, and the body control schemes have long been in the subconscious. We do not need to display questions for decision-making on the GMS, and the observer does not see the process of consciousness working, but only sees the process of observing the task and understanding it by consciousness, but not execution. Execution is not visible because it does not require the intervention of consciousness.

    Libeto records only conscious actions that require decision-making.

    It would be interesting to observe how everything will decompose if the subject is offered a non-standard action that violates his moral principles. For example, to hit someone with a hammer (not real, but it looked real to the subject). Did his brain's motor center work out in such a situation, or would he have waited for a decision on the HMS?

    This would show whether a person is really responsible for their actions.

    My reasoning may be wrong))). More research is needed here..

  4. A person has two types of behavior: reflex (or subconscious) and conscious. Reflex acts faster than even awareness, i.e. first action, then awareness. Consciousness arises together with thought, through the speech apparatus, i.e. when there is time to reflect. Sometimes decisions come spontaneously, they are more likely to relate to the first type of behavior, i.e. when a person for some reason does something without thinking (this includes the state of affect) or not thinking enough, then to the second. When we think, we make decisions; when we don't think, we just act. As Porthos used to say,”I fight just because I fight.”

  5. The human mind consists of 3 levels-understanding, delayed and advanced consciousness. The mind is not only ahead, but also behind. You are riding on a tram and suddenly you think with concern that I have turned off the gas stove?

  6. The results of this experiment are often misinterpreted. Reflex reaction is therefore reflex (automatic), so as not to be conscious. First, a person learns-consciously reacts to stimuli, and as they learn, their reactions to already known stimuli become more and more automatic. Further, the work of automatisms does not need to be realized. That is why they are formed so that they can be performed without awareness later on. This is how we perform most actions. This is our adaptation. We learn to walk, talk, keep our balance and much more, first consciously. Then unconsciously-automatically. That's what the brain does. This is his main job. And in the zone of attention and awareness falls only that which does not yet have its automatism-new and not familiar. That is, something for which you should develop automatism.

    Thus, the deliberate interruption of automatism in Libet's experiment looks quite logical. Volitional effort can only be conscious.

  7. I wonder why the author of the question considers the brain to be something separate from a person? These are inseparable concepts. There is no brain — there is no us, there is a brain-there is us. A person can be without everything at all/with a completely replaced (for example, like a cyborg) body, except for the brain that is on life support. And he will remain human.

    And if you replace only the brain in the skull with another one, then this is not the same person at all.

    Separating the concepts of “we” and “brain” is completely incorrect.

    It's like saying that the ALU and the processor are different things, and the ALU counts everything instead of the processor…absurd same))

  8. If not us, then who?
    And without Libet, based on determinism, it is obvious that the decision made by a person has reasons.
    Unlike the automaton of a primitive animal, which is only capable of reflex reactions, a person reacts in a complex way, according to the principle of feedback, however, our decisions are also subject to the chain of cause and effect. There is no ” I ” that sits in the brain and makes a decision. The ” I ” is just an abstraction from the body. The decision is “made” by the body, it is a reaction to external stimuli.
    Libet's experiment proves that decision awareness is delayed. But earlier it was proved that the subjective experience of sensation is also late (Ivanitsky A.M. Consciousness and brain).
    Consciousness is a rather vague concept. I suggest that we limit ourselves in this case to the person's knowledge of what they are doing. Oddly enough, but a person's knowledge of a certain mental act and this mental act itself are different things. So it's not surprising that they happen at different times.

  9. The thesis that there is no” Me “and” Myself ” making decisions does not exist quite in line with the ideas of Buddhism more than 2 thousand years ago. Today, it is confirmed by neurophysiologists. Perhaps the brain works as a radio receiver that receives signals from outside, and consciousness only interprets and justifies these signals for itself.

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