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  1. This is a very strange statement, on almost all counts.

    1. Why is communism and atheism equated? Yes, communism often involves the denial of religion and belief in God, but not all atheists are communists, some Dawkins does not look at all like a communist. At the same time, it is obvious that the essence of communism is not at all in atheism, but in the primacy of public interests over the egoism of an individual.

    2. Why is it said that the communist did not investigate the fact that there is no God? Marx was well aware of the discussions regarding the existence/non-existence of God in his time, and was well aware of all the pros and cons. He was,of course, an atheist in his own worldview. But he himself emphasized that refuting the existence of God is a rather fruitless task, it is necessary to explore the roots of the origin of religion and faith in God. And it is necessary to fight against social exploitation and alienation, and not against the dogmas of religion, since dogmas are only a consequence, and alienation is the cause.

    3. If we forget the “communist” attached to either village or city, then even then the statement that “an atheist believes that there is no God” is absurd. Let's say I always thought I didn't have a sister. I don't know my sister, my parents never told me that I have (or once had) a sister, there are no photos or anything else. And suddenly someone says to me: “you only believe that you don't have a sister! What if your sister actually died in infancy and your parents just don't want to remember it? Or did she do something terrible, and her parents disowned her and erased all references? You can't prove it's not true! So you believe that you don't have a sister!” I think you will agree that this is a rather ridiculous statement-although, hypothetically, this person may be right! But no one will consider such a situation seriously until they have at least some reason to think so: for example,some old forgotten photo or archive record, a birth certificate is found. As long as nothing like this comes to light, I think I can safely say that I know that I don't have and never had a sister. And this has nothing to do with “faith”.

    An atheist (if he is smart, of course, and not a “mom's atheist”) is quite familiar with discussions, knows the arguments of theists, and knows how to answer them. And the atheist believes that the existing arguments “for” the existence of God are unconvincing, and therefore we can assume that God does not exist-until more convincing arguments appear. An important principle must also be taken into account here: the burden of proof should lie on the one who makes a statement (something exists), and not on the one who does not agree with this statement. For example, I say: “The moon is a huge lantern that is lit every night by a space raccoon. And the phases of the moon are a bolt that he moves back and forth.” If you say you don't agree with me, I'll say, “But you can prove that the space raccoon doesn't exist! You just believe that It doesn't exist!” Again, some kind of absurdity turns out: you have every right not to believe such strange statements, especially if I do not cite any evidence in my favor. Now compare them: God is an omnipotent, omniscient, merciful being who created everything that exists, including man, out of nothing for the sake of realizing some all-good plan. This is true because it is written in a book that God himself wrote. And it was really written by God, because it is written in this book. Don't you think that in this situation it makes sense to express some confusion and refer to the insufficient validity of all these statements? And will this bewilderment be “the belief that there is no God”? It seems to me that there is a deep gulf between the faith of a theist and disagreement with the faith of an atheist, and to reduce one to the other is a deeply erroneous path.

  2. Osho noticed this pattern well. A communist not only believes that there is no God, he also believes in communism – this can be accurately called faith, because in fact it is his passionate desire to imagine the future of humanity based on Marxist theory.

  3. There are people with a rational and there are people with an irrational type of thinking. And this is an innate quality, as well as the degree of its expression. So people with an irrational type of thinking TEND TO BELIEVE. They are inclined to believe – as an uncritical way of accepting information. And it doesn't matter if it's information about gods or miracles, or about universal equality and brotherhood.

    Communism is an ideology with signs of religion: dogma, cult, attributes.

    Therefore, classical (fanatical, and fanaticism is possible only on the basis of FAITH) communists are people who are inclined to BELIEVE in the ideas of communism. And one religion always seeks to destroy, to displace another religion – the Gause exclusion principle, transferred from ecology to social relations.

    Therefore, communism, as an ideology with signs of religion, MUST strictly and cruelly exclude similar ideologies and religions from its sphere of influence. It was for such activities that atheism was useful to the Communists. The only problem is that the communists who were INCLINED to BELIEVE could not really be atheists. Since atheism is methodologically based on the principle of scientific skepticism – that is, the REJECTION of FAITH as a way of accepting information. In the direction of evidence and facts.

    Because no matter how self-styled the Communists were, they COULDN'T be atheists. But they could well be ANTITHEISTS-people who believe in the absence of God! Antitheism, as a derivative of faith, is also capable of generating fanaticism and aggression… This explains the methods of suppression of religions by the” orthodox ” Communists.

    Therefore, YES! A communist believes “just like a Catholic”! And being a person of faith, he is practically unable to change the way he accepts information… Therefore, it is only capable of a change of faith. From believing in the absence of God, go to believing in his presence. This is what the Zyuganov team demonstrated to us in a remarkable way.

    It is important NOT TO CONFUSE communism with atheism… Faith with a scientific and materialistic worldview. And everything immediately falls into place!

  4. Osho is right. Faith precedes everything.

    On this subject, Comrade Putin has expressed himself admirably. Penrose (famous English physicist).

    Evidence doesn't mean anything if you don't believe in it))).

    that is, evidence is preceded by faith.

  5. As we have already said, a communist and an atheist are very different concepts. There are a lot of non – communist atheists, and a significant number of Catholic Communists. In general, Osho in this statement does not show proper awareness and understanding of the issue.

  6. Osho is right.both the Communist and the Catholic are based on faith, that is, on blindness.no one has any knowledge in this area,but they want to confirm each of their opinions as a proven fact(but without a fact).

    and each has no respect for God or non-god,but both are driven by purely mercantile thinking,that is, both arrange their reasoning for their own purposes, and not for the benefit of humanity.

  7. It is not recommended to listen to this Osho at all – as a result of an investigation, a huge batch of Staphylococcus was once discovered in his sect. As for the phrase, the meaning here is not visible at all. This old trickster didn't even have something like the dream of an ultra – left technocracy that his colleague Jacques Fresco had. I'm sorry if I offended your views, but I told you the truth – do what you want with it. And don't use rogue quotes!

  8. Playing with words. Faith and disbelief have the opposite meaning. Imagine the phrase: He doesn't like ugly people, but this is his love! After all, complete nonsense!

    Communism is a life position with real people and actions that are aimed at improving the real future.

    You might just as well say that a capitalist (atheist)is an atheist. he is also a believer as well as a Catholic.

    Or even funnier. A worker goes to work with the belief that he will receive a salary for his work. How is he different from a Catholic?: -)

    The difference is that God is an imaginary character. And if someone's faith works, it's just a placebo effect.

  9. No

    Believing in unbelief is absurd, because faith is never pointless

    If I don't believe in God but believe that my work makes the world a better place , I won't become a Catholic believer.

    Because a Catholic didn't see his god, and I don't see my job

  10. In any case, Osho (whoever he is) is wrong. And the best way to get rid of this illusion – do you have a stove nearby? “throw all that crap in there. It will be so good to meditate later! It is good when there is no OSHO (this is poetry from the navel of the universe)

  11. Communism is an ideology with the characteristics of a religion:




    In other words, it is an ideology that requires more faith, rather than a competent and conscious, critical approach. Actually, that is why a communist, as a person inclined to faith, cannot be a classical atheist. Since atheism, in its most general form, is a REJECTION of FAITH as an uncritical way of accepting information.

    And since a communist, this is a person inclined to faith. Then he easily changes one faith – to another. Faith in the absence of God – faith in his presence!

  12. No, it's not true. A communist does not stupidly believe that there is no God. Then it's really the same religion, just the other way around. A true communist examines all the evidence that a particular religion provides based on science. A communist is a person with a scientific materialistic worldview.

  13. Why believe? Faith is like a yoke around the neck of an ox. It does not allow you to raise your head, but forces you to drag out the miserable existence of draft cattle. I think a person knows at the subconscious level that there is no God, but is afraid to be left alone. And so he gets out of it, inventing various excuses that justify him, such as faith in a higher being or universal intelligence.

  14. There is a God. It's just that people sometimes say that there is no God, but in fact they don't believe only in religion. And that's not the same thing.

    God is the one who created (or conquered) us for his own purposes. So he controls us. They can do it, and we can't resist it, because we don't know much. But maybe everything is still ahead. Although who knows… this is not predictable. But we are controlled-this is unequivocal.

  15. Of course you're right, atheism is just like any other belief system, but atheists are often so blinded and so brainwashed that they can't even understand it! In their opinion, the fact that they have views different from one religion makes their views not religious. It's like saying that Einstein wasn't a scientist because he had a different opinion about quanta than Bohr.

    Any belief system is a set of beliefs! Whether you are a theist, a-theist, solipsist, materialist, idealist, whatever, it will still be a form of belief.

  16. I do not know who this OSHO is, but the question is at the level of the senior kindergarten group, at this age it is still permissible to confuse the concepts of faith and unbelief.

    Seriously, for a Communist, the concept of God is purple (or lilac – it doesn't matter), he is interested in more practical issues than studying scholasticism.

    The approving party should be engaged in the search for evidence of anything. If I tell you that I have a pound of gold in my back pocket, no one who doesn't believe it has to find a way to refute my bragging.

    I'm the one who should take out the ingot and show it to someone who doesn't believe me.

    Similarly, if a believer claims that there is a God, let him provide convincing and irrefutable evidence that there is one.

    I will look, feel, and then decide whether to believe you or tell you that you are either mistaken or that you are a fraud.

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