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  1. And why do you think that they were perceived normally? Read the biographies of both philosophers in the collection of Diogenes Laertius “On the life, teachings and sayings of famous philosophers”. From there, you will learn that, for example, Socrates was often beaten because his arguments in an argument were stronger than those of his opponents (Diog. Laert., De vita pilosoph., II, 5, 21). Another well– known example is how he was slandered in the theater, during the performance of the play”Clouds” by Aristophanes, in which Socrates was presented as an outright empty-mouth. Socrates himself was present during the performance at the theater, and even eloquently explained to visitors that this play is about him (Claud. Ael., Var. Hist., II, 13). On one occasion, some jokers dressed up as Erinnii attacked Socrates in the night, but Socrates began to talk to them sensibly, which confused them (Ibid., IX, 29). Finally, Socrates was accused by his opponents and sentenced to death.�

    As for Diogenes, this character received a lot of punches and beatings from his future mentor, Antisthenes (Diog. Laert., De vita pilosoph., VI, 2, 21); he had strained relations with Plato (Ibid., 25-26) and Demosthenes (Ibid., 34); he was beaten (Ibid., 41-42); boys broke his barrel (Ibid., 43); he was reproached with a dark past and exile from his native city (Ibid., 49; 56), and so on. At the same time, Diogenes was perceived as a city landmark, so the generally kind attitude of the Athenians towards him is understandable.

  2. They weren't marginal individuals: they were charismatic coaches. Just as now some famous coach can walk around in second-hand rags and beat his clients with a stick for their own money, so did kiniki, for example. I previously answered a very similar question in detail.

  3. We do not know how such personalities were perceived in Ancient Greece by the average person, and we cannot even say exactly how they were perceived by society. I once had to answer a question in a lecture about why antiquity is romanticized in our perception. I answered that question. Read it.

  4. In Ancient Greek society, both Diogenes and Socrates were not perceived normally. Here from the wiki:

    Socrates was sentenced to death.�According to Cambridge University Professor Paul Cartledge, Socrates was guilty of blasphemy and corruption of youth and was legally sentenced to death.

    Diogenes was constantly engaged in manual labor in full view of everyone; when the Athenians commented on this, saying, ” Diogenes, everything is clear, we have a democracy and you can do what you want, but don't go too far?”, he replied: “I wish you could stop your hunger by rubbing your stomach.”

    One day, someone brought him to a luxurious dwelling and noticed: “See how clean this place is, don't spit anywhere, you'll be fine.” Diogenes looked around and spat in his face, saying: “Where can I spit if there is no worse place?”

    By the way, there is a Diogenes syndrome.Diogenes syndrome (senile squalor syndrome) is a mental disorder characterized by an extremely dismissive attitude towards oneself, social isolation, apathy, a tendency to accumulate and collect all sorts of things (pathological hoarding) and a lack of shame.

    Who knows, maybe Petr Pavlensky's egg reader will also get into the textbooks of philosophy )))

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