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  1. The New Testament answers both of your questions. Anyone can be saved, think of the robber who was crucified next to Christ. He was not baptized, was not a Christian, but repented, realized the sinfulness of his life, and was saved. The Savior clearly showed us that the main thing in our spiritual life is repentance, if it is not there, everything else loses its meaning.

    “One of the evildoers who was hanged cursed Him and said,' If you are the Christ, save Yourself and us. The other, on the contrary, rebuked him and said, ” Do you not fear God when you yourself are condemned to the same thing?” And we are justly condemned, because we have accepted what was right in our deeds, but He has done nothing wrong. And he said to Jesus, ” Remember me, Lord, when you come into your kingdom.” And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, today shalt thou be with me in paradise” (Luke 23: 39-41).

    If the path to salvation is open for a repentant murderer, then I do not see insurmountable obstacles for a follower of any religion, well, if, of course, Satanism is not considered a religion, it is unlikely.

    What is the Church for? Let us recall the parable of the sower (Mt 13: 3-23): a person is weak, even if he believes, he is constantly tormented by passions and temptations, and his faith is constantly being tested. The Church helps us to survive in this struggle, but the main thing is what happens in the soul of each individual, what choices we make, what we accept and what we renounce.

  2. You asked this question based on an initially incorrect thesis. That “virtuous people” are saved. And that's not true.

    Salvation of the soul can only be obtained by accepting the sacrifice of Jesus Christ for sins, by accepting God, the Holy Spirit into your heart, and by recognizing yourself as a 100% sinner and unable to become a better person. The New Testament speaks of this constantly, dozens or even hundreds of times

    Religion and the church have nothing to do with it at all. God did not create religion. Unless, of course, Christianity is considered a “religion”. And the church is just a community of saved people, that's all.

  3. First, we need to determine what the Church of Christ is, and then divide this concept into mystical and everyday-practical.

    The Church of Christ is neither Catholicism, nor Orthodoxy, nor any Protestant or other religious movement. .. regardless of their ambitions and statements, and certainly not any architectural structure. The Church is the body and bride of Christ in which real believers, regardless of their confessional or non-confessional affiliation, are members (organs) of this body with any spiritual function inherent in everyone without exception, because there are no useless organs in the body, and even more so there are no organs that are particularly priestly or parishioners … This is what Paul clearly writes about.

    And there is also an assembly of believers of no more than 10-15 people (according to 1 Corinthians 14), which at the time when they gathered – the church, and when they dispersed – again a living room, and where everyone comes to give as an organ of the body of Christ what God gave him for other members and receive from them what he needs (the prototype is the physiology of the human body).�

    And the purpose of these local small meetings (the church) is to create an environment for the growth of new converts. Yes, and trees grow on the rocks, but not all breeds, so beginners need to communicate with more advanced ones. But this is only temporary, until he comes to the unity of the faith and enters the full age of Christ, becoming spiritually mature and resistant to false teachings, sorrows, and deceiving spirits. Then the person himself must help God to support and nurture new converts who are not confirmed in the faith.

    As for being born anew( from above), a person is born from the Word-seed (the prototype of water) and the Spirit, because only the seed carries information about the future born organism, and since the spiritual body is born (dead due to sins is resurrected), the Spirit is also needed, because what is born of the flesh is flesh and only from the Spirit is the spirit born. This is the meaning of preaching the Gospel for salvation – a person preaches the Word, and the Spirit raises up (gives birth to) our dead inner man (spiritual body). Bottom line – the robber on the cross was born again, but did not pass the water baptism because he did not have such an opportunity. Water baptism itself, one of the two rituals that exist among Christians, does not matter what Peter writes about, but it is an indicator of obedience to God as a seal under the contract (covenant). But if a person can, but does not want to-then the problem. The Ethiopian nobleman, having accepted the Word and received a new birth, immediately rushed to the water.

    And yes, a pagan can be saved by justifying himself with his conscience. Here is the principle of spiritual hazing. My grandfathers beat me, humiliated me, and now I'm going to kick the young ones ten times more … to make you understand that this is the road to hell. And when a person says: I was beaten, humiliated, how bad it was for me, will I do the same evil to others, will I be like those whose actions I myself condemned? This is the way to God because in one case a person has an evil heart and a vicious conscience that justifies his actions and condemns exactly the same in others (Rom. 2), and in the other case a person has the heart of Christ.�

    Bottom line: the essence of the question is not what a person does – it's just an indicator of the internal state, evil people are also able to love those who love them, the point is-what is the original nature of a person. If you are a fruit worm (genetically), then for a while you can live in shit and suffer from it, but sooner or later you will get up from the pig trough and go to the father in repentance. But if it's dung, then it's in the shit at home, all its own … familiar and even if you pull it out and wash it, it will still come back because there is such a word-Homeland.

  4. You need to understand that salvation is different from salvation. I'll give you an example: in a huge forest, somewhere far away, a fire is burning. There is a village near the forest. A prudent person will prepare in advance for a negative development of events, think over evacuation routes, prepare luggage, ensure that important material values are safe and inaccessible to fire, take the cattle to a protected place in advance, and in case of an unfavorable development of events, suffer minimal losses. A thoughtless person will not perform any of the above measures and will be saved the same, but will remain naked as a falcon. Both escaped the fire, but now they are in completely different conditions.

    The Church shows a person the way of salvation and offers help in passing this path. A person outside the church deprives himself of an understanding of what needs to be done, how to do it, why he was given life in general. Hence, different salvation awaits members of the Christian Church and non-believers.

    Perhaps very simplistically explained, but clearly, at least.

  5. To be honest , I didn't want to answer. But I read the existing 4 answers and realized that it is necessary to answer.

    I see a few things in the answers that are misunderstood (as I think, of course):

    1) People confuse the two types of rescue: salvation of the Church and salvation of those who are not part of the Church. The Church , the universal Body of Christ, will be in the Heavenly Jerusalem with Christ. Only those who have consciously accepted Christ's Sacrifice will be in the Church. But salvation is not limited to the Church. As written:

    1. And the city needs neither the sun nor the moon for its illumination, for the glory of God has given it light, and the Lamb is its lamp.
    2. The nations that are saved will walk in its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory and honor into it.
      (Revelation 21: 23,24)

    The saved nations are those Gentiles who did not know Christ, but did the good that is so much written about in the neighboring answers.

    2) The saved robber hanging on the cross was indeed saved. Saved as a Jew who believes and waits for the coming of the Messiah. He is saved, just like David, Moses, and Abraham. But this robber is not a member of the New Testament Church, which was born on the day of Pentecost. The repentant thief, like other members of the Old Testament Church, “will walk in his light,” but will not be near Christ.

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    I'll ask you again (I asked this in my other answer): if the salvation of people will be possible only because of their good / righteous lifestyle without knowing Christ, and these people will have the same privileges as Christian members of the Body of Christ, then why did Christ shed his blood on the cross?

  6. man is a collective being, striving for communication, it is easier and easier for him to be in a certain community than to embark on a solo voyage :

    18 And the LORD God said, It is not good for a man
    to be alone.

    9 Two are better than one, because they have a good reward for their labor:
    10 For if one falls, the other will lift up his companion. But woe to one when he falls, and there is no other to lift him up.
    11 Also, if two people lie down, it is warm for them; but how can one get warm?
    12 And if any man overcomes one, then two will stand against him: and the thread that is threefold will not soon be broken.
    (Eccl. 4: 9-12)

    7 And he called the twelve, and began to send them out two by two, and gave them power over unclean spirits.
    (Mark 6: 7)

    17 Iron sharpens iron, and a man sharpens the eye of his friend.
    (Prov.27:17)

    The team multiplies its capabilities and achievements-in droves I batka legshe biti ( oh, this is not suitable)))

    The Church has many other meanings that are more difficult to understand – but I think this explanation is enough to start with.�

    As for your first question, I think that a person who lives according to his own conscience, sincerely and honestly, will certainly be saved, but it will be more difficult for him to face the unscrupulous and sinful world alone. Conscience, in principle, is the law of God, written inside each person and fulfilling this law, a person can be called a righteous person.

  7. The New Testament calls Christ “the saviour of all men” and only “especially” of the faithful (1 Timothy 4: 10). The Apostle Paul writes that the Gentiles will be judged according to the voice of their conscience (Rom. 2: 14-16).

    Salvation is realized only through joining the mystical Body of Christ-the Church. Only some people can do this already in the earthly life, and some in that one. Those who join the Church on earth have the opportunity to bear fruit worthy of repentance, to become proficient in virtues, and to reach the heights of holiness that will give them a better position and greater glory in eternity than those who were saved “as if out of fire” (1 Corinthians 3:15).

    You can also suggest such an image. Those who are saved in the Church are like a person with a serious illness who resorted to the help of a doctor and bought medicines at a pharmacy, and non-Orthodox are those who try to recover due to the body's immunity. You can't guarantee that both will recover. But the first one has more chances and tools for this.

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