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  1. It seems that Epicurus first formulated this problem at the end of the fourth century BC. He formulated 4 theses regarding the gods and the existence of evil (instead of Hitler, you can substitute any other undoubted evil)

    1. If God wants to eliminate evil in the world, but cannot do so , he is not omnipotent.

    2. If God can eliminate evil but does not want to, he is not all-good.

    3. If God can and wants to eliminate evil, why doesn't he?

    4. If God cannot and does not want to eliminate evil, then is it God at all?

    The other side of the same problem is the union of the divine will and the free will of man. According to all Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) God is an absolutely omnipotent being and everything in the world happens according to his will. At the same time, a person is a being who is created in the “image and likeness of God”, which means, among other things, that a person has free will. Attention, question: Does God predestine a person's actions or not? If so, what kind of free will are you talking about? If not, it turns out that God determines the fly's flight path, but decides to skip human actions?

    In addition, it is not difficult to find passages in the holy text that indicate that God does determine the actions of people: for example, when Jesus (who is the Son of God, let me remind you) says at the Last Supper that one of his disciples will betray him. As a result, different thinkers and entire religious movements simply lean in one direction or the other – free will or predestination – obscuring the opposite. For example, Catholicism tends to place more emphasis on human free will, pushing the divine will into the background. Protestantism, on the other hand, places a special emphasis on divine will and predestination, and human free will is often considered only an illusion that arises from the fact that we do not know the divine will.

  2. Formally and logically, you are absolutely right, and you have nothing to object to) �

    But religious belief is a phenomenon that goes beyond rational reasoning. Therefore, to appeal to it using arguments from formal logic is like trying to skate in the sea in a ten-point storm )

    Moreover, the believer will object to you that ” in this way G-d tested us in our faith and in our ability to resist evil, and in the end we won!”, which, in principle, is also a logically consistent argument-only in its semantic field )

  3. God, as an omnipotent, omniscient substance, did nothing to prevent Hitler and a huge number of other murderers, maniacs, dismemberers, rapists from carrying out their vile deeds. Three conclusions can be drawn from this: 1) This is his will (non-interference with awareness and the ability to prevent it is also a manifestation of will), he is also a sadist, he likes to watch and participate in the dismemberment (but this contradicts what religions teach). 2) He doesn't care and he doesn't care about people (but this contradicts what religions teach). 3) It just doesn't exist.

  4. The Lord created man in his own image and likeness. The image is a three-part structure: spirit-soul-body (cf. God the Father-God the Son-the Holy Spirit), and the likeness is the ability to create and the freedom to choose the path of life. When a person forgets about love and chooses the wrong path, God admonishes him with diseases and adversities, but always to the best of his ability to bear it.

  5. To answer your question, it is worth first determining whether you are making claims to a Christian, Jewish, Islamic theodicy, or some other one that recognizes the existence of a single (well, or at least the supreme, but active)one Deities? The answer depends on this – all these religions respond differently to the question of the will of their God, about His intervention in the life of man and humanity. For the sake of simplicity of the questioner and the answerer (all of them, in one way or another, argue with the Christian idea of the will and omnipotence of God, although without bothering to understand the question in any way and passing off their prejudices about the Christian God as the ultimate truth), we will discuss this from the point of view of Christian theodicy.

    It would seem – well, yes, if “everything is God's will”, then God's will is also on Hitler (add Stalin, the Civil War, the Americans, the Englishwoman, the Jewish Masons and those who framed Roger Rabbit). However, if we turn to the essence of the matter-namely, that God created man in His own image and likeness, that is to say, that He created man in His own image and likeness. free and having the right to choose their own good and evil, Android and iPhone, Reebok and Adidas (please underline, if you want to continue the list), then it turns out that God deliberately limited his will in order for his creation, man, to be able to manifest it. The option “choose evil” was left by God in order for a person to learn freely, according to His own will and understanding, and without His Divine compulsion to choose good (despite the fact that God fully takes into account the fact that for different people and in different epochs, good can be variative and conventional, everyone can interpret the Gospel in different ways). The simplest and most fun answer to this question is basically reflected in the argument “Can almighty God create a stone that cannot move?”. Early Christian theologians have answered this question – or perhaps they have already. This stone is a human will. Which has the right, I emphasize, to answer God to all His suggestions “no”.

    In order to complete the picture of the relationship between the will of God and man, let us recall the scene of the fall, or rather, the final conversation of God with the first human couple and the serpent. At first glance, everything is simple there – the old man simply drives out tenants who have taken food from the owner's refrigerator. Everything is somewhat more multifaceted, in fact – God condemns humanity in the person of Adam and Eve to continue to fill their bumps with actions of their own free will. Did you do what you wanted, even though I warned you not to? Okay, go ahead and learn to understand the consequences. God in this case shows the following : if you claim to have an independent, adult life, learn to show responsibility for it, and I don't have to wipe up after you every time you mess up or deal with the next boy who took your toys from you. So, the problem with theodicy – and in particular with Hitler-is not the will of God itself, but rather that God allows humanity (gives it the opportunity to fill itself with bumps) a situation where it itself must learn to see evil and prevent it. This is quite clear from the parable of the rich man and the poor man, which Jesus told his disciples – the rich man went to a not very good place after death, and the poor man went to a better place (although not actually to paradise in his New Testament understanding, the disclosure of the question will lead away from the topic). A rich man, seeing a poor man (who was lying on the porch of the rich man's house during his lifetime) together with the forefather of the Jewish people Abraham, asks Abraham to send this poor man with a message to his still living brother, so that he would come to his senses and begin to observe the commandments, to which he received an answer: “They have Moses and the prophets, let them listen to them.” Rich man to say-like not, father, what is there some Moses, but if the dead from the other world appears to them, they will immediately understand everything. God answers all questions about the will of God and Hitler through the mouth of Abraham: “If they don't hear what has been said for a long time and seem to understand, then even if the dead person rises, they won't believe it.” The Christian God, let me remind you, became a man and was crucified on the cross in order, in particular, to show what is good and what is evil, but people prefer to act of their own free will, dismissing the stories that are written in a strange thick book. Hitler is also a human being, he also has the right to act according to his will, just like everyone else. And God is waiting for everyone else to remember what is good or what is evil, and prevent Hitlers and other villains from doing evil deeds. This is the will of the Christian God.

  6. All the higher forces, whatever you want to call them, almost do not interfere in what is happening. And they always give you freedom of choice. Therefore, to argue that someone acted on their behalf and with their blessing is fundamentally wrong.

  7. The Jewish point of view is reflected in the Pentateuch – if Jews do not keep the commandments, God will punish them:

    1. And it shall come to pass, that if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep, to do all his commandments and his laws, which I command thee this day, then all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee. 16. Cursed are you in the city, and cursed are you in the field 17. Cursed be your basket and your sauerkraut. 18. Cursed be the fruit of your belly and the fruit of your land, the offspring of your oxen and the riches of your flocks. 19. Cursed are you when you go in, and cursed are you when you go out. 20. The Lord will send upon you a curse, confusion, and failure in all that you have set your hand to do, until you are destroyed, until you perish quickly, because of your evil deeds, because you have forsaken Me. 21. The Lord will let the pestilence stick to you until he destroys you from the land that you are entering to possess.

    Therefore, Hitler is not unique in this sense, being another instrument of Divine punishment.

  8. The emergence of rulers like Hitler, terrible epidemics that claim millions of lives, the death of infants and older children – all this is the will of God, but indirectly. Because a person is given what he deserves.
    It is not God's responsibility to make our lives better. If we (humanity) have such evil, then it is deserved.
    And there is nothing to blame on God.
    No one owes us anything.
    And nothing will just fall from the sky for us.
    Hope for God, but don't be bad yourself.

  9. Black isle-created a Fallout. These guys allowed him to be, created the mechanics, gave the player a wide range of opportunities. You can play as a good-natured person, or you can pile on everyone you meet-crosswise. You can turn on Hitler, and cut out everyone there, except for the white non-mutants. Are black isle responsible for your actions if you cause a holocaust for the ghouls and take out the Gekko? No. The guys just gave you peace and freedom of choice. And what to do with it, you decide for yourself. In the folls, they will do everything, as they prescribed the mechanics. It's ridiculous to expect the head developer to keep an eye on you, no matter what you do. It's ridiculous to hold him responsible for the fact that there are fewer NPCs in the wastelands. You can kill them all, or you can save them. This is your responsibility. Black isle just gave you a platform.

  10. Are you serious? Are you still not used to the fact that the Bible (if we are talking about it now) contradicts itself? It seems to me that everyone has long understood this. There are two options: �

    Correct – there is no God and his will.�

    The other is a fucking sadistic god,and he just likes to watch things like that.
    You can bombard me with minuses.

  11. God — in the Christian sense-gave people freedom of choice. Our actions are not predetermined and depend only on us. He couldn't have done it otherwise — then people would be robots, not an image of God.

    Accordingly, we can say that God limits his will where our will begins. We have complete freedom of action, but we are fully responsible for it, not Him.

  12. Within the framework of Orthodox theology, the following answer is given to the question of the will of God. Yes, everything in the world happens thanks to the will of God, but there are two different “modes” (modes of action) of God's will – His willfulness (active will of God, contributing to the event) and “allowing” (passive will of God “not preventing” the event). In the case of evil or injustice, God “allows” (allows) injustice to happen, and in this sense Hitler acted against the will of God (against the will of God), but within the framework of permissiveness (God did not prevent him, in the sense of directly). Within the framework of permissiveness, God does not approve of the evil that the evil-doer does and always remains with the sufferers (some theologians even say that Christ ascends to the cross together with the sufferer, that our evil-doings “crucify God”), and certainly always looks for ways to block the will of the evil-doers and, without violating the freedom of people, lead the evil-doer to fall. Therefore, it was precisely the Red Army that was the instrument of the will of God, which led Hitler to fall. By the way, in fact, the “end of the world”, according to Orthodox Christianity, will come when people, by their free will, give themselves under the power of the Antichrist, who will literally introduce the “kingdom of evil” and Christ will be forced to intervene and stop the history of mankind, in which evil has reached the point where it could no longer be indirectly reduced to nothing, the efforts of good people Therefore, God will destroy the Antichrist and his army (people will not be able to do this, becoming either victims or accomplices).

    In general, the truth, from the point of view of Orthodox theology, is that God loves us so much that He gives us almost entirely to our will and does not hinder us, only indirectly and imperceptibly, through the prayers of good people, leveling or mitigating the consequences of evil. That is why the world “lies in evil”, because God does not stop evil directly, but allows it to mature and be revealed. If, however, this were not the case, and God were to stop every evil thought or every evil deed, then our world would be like hell, and we would be puppets in it. Would you be able to live knowing that every evil thought causes, say, an electric shock? And if you knew who it was that was electrocuting you, wouldn't you hate that person? That's the problem.

  13. Well, everything here is easier than a steamed turnip. Almost every separately developed nation has its own god. As they say: “Who believes in Mahomet, who believes in Allah, who believes in Jesus, who doesn't believe in anything, even in the devil to spite everyone.”
    Hitler didn't give a damn about Christianity: Goebbels wrote in his diaries in 1941 that Hitler “hates Christianity because it destroys all that is noble in humanity.”
    Don't build stupid chains about the gods and their participation (or non-participation) in human life. Some peoples could also carve statues of their gods with a rod if the gods turned a deaf ear to their requests for too long.

  14. God lives according to a different philosophy and dogma, he does not live according to primitive concepts of good and evil, love and concentration camps.

    He is the same good and evil, love and death, violence and bliss.

    It is unknowable and inexplicable.

    He created our universe, and he will destroy it. And in the last days of the universe, God will become such that Hitler will be a fluffy white kitten, compared to God destroying his beautiful universe.

  15. God's will is not for everything. God gave people freedom of choice. And he is not responsible for the evil that we freely chose, and for the stupid things that we freely committed.

  16. This is from the opera,, if there is a God, why does evil exist,,. Not by choice, but by connivance. Here, on the one hand,the whole world lies in evil and sin turns against us on three sides, on the other hand, it is possible to separate the wheat from the chaff only by destroying humanity and passing judgment on everyone (which is planned at the end of time). Since it is impossible to eradicate evil without uprooting every mortal as its carrier, ” God can only help people, but not act for them.”

    (I have heard this position from the believers themselves)

  17. God doesn't think in human terms, isn't it clear? The one by Whose will the Universe was created, Who calls the non-existent as existing, probably knew what and how everything was going, and what conclusions would a person draw?

  18. There is axiom 1.1 in the Master Kit method, which says ” Everything that happens in my life is the result of my subconscious desires.” Even the bad and the good. For example, if you yelled at someone very hard and offended them, you wanted to offend them subconsciously.

    What Hitler did, it was his own subconscious desires. Maybe he consciously did not want to offend anyone, but subconsciously he had his own reasons and intentions to offend them. Resentment here is just an example.�

    For the universe (God, energy, etc.) there are no rules, because it is good and it is bad, there is of course Awareness. If We consciously choose to do something, it can't hurt anyone. The universe always responds to our desires, and if consciously and subconsciously we have one goal/desire, then it is realized. If they don't have a disagreement. If subconsciously we have attitudes, fears, and resentments about our desires, but consciously we strongly want our desires, then it is not realized.�

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  19. 9 So pray this way: Our Father who art in heaven! Hallowed be thy name;
    10 Thy kingdom come; thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven
    (Matthew 6: 9,10)

    This passage shows that the coming of the kingdom of God and the fulfillment of God's will on earth as in heaven are just ahead. In the meantime, there is a kingdom of lies on earth and the will of the devil and lost humanity. And only small islands in the midst of this ocean of chaos and darkness, which are sincere communities and individual disciples of Christ and believers in Him as conductors of the will of God.�

    There is also such a thing as the permissible will of God – that is, what God did not want and did not plan, but because he gave a person free choice, he allows certain things to enter the world. This assumption is also, in a sense, the will of God..However, not by a good will, not by His desire, but only by virtue of the circumstances mentioned above-the permissible will of God.

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