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  1. I believe in heaven and hell, but I can consider certain assumptions as part of the answer.
    So, if there is nothing, and consciousness disappears, then it turns out that people are simply unable to imagine their own non-existence. We can imagine darkness, even silence – but it is not a representation of our non-existence. Because any of our ideas are based on the experience of being. By definition, we can't have the experience of nonexistence. We cannot compare or depict non-being in any way.

  2. Heaven and hell exist. Reincarnation, too. You don't need to allow anything.Anyone who has done good for many lifetimes in a row and has not killed animals for food can go to heaven. But it's very easy to get into hell – you just need to get in touch with a bad company. They will help.

  3. You, Mr. Good, are interested in Mrs. Death, then. You are interested, then, in the absence. But I think you were too hasty.

    Absence is a consequence of presence. It's a dichotomy where one doesn't make sense without the other. Moreover, they are one and the same thing, only from different, diametrically different sides, in other words, they are two sides of the same coin called “life and death”.

    On the other hand, I noticed in your question a veiled allusion to the concept of formlessness, when there is no form, so to speak, there is a “pure content” or, as the Buddhists would add, “emptiness” (shunyata).

    But, by the way, in Buddhism, especially in its northern branch, Mahayana, it is often said that ” form is emptiness, and emptiness is form.” That is, they are postulated to be inseparable from each other, their relationship to each other in constant dynamic interaction.

    But let's leave Buddhism, let's leave the form…

    What is formlessness? Is this death? No. Because death has forms and, in fact, is a continuation of life.

    In fact, you go beyond life and death.

    This is a situation where even thoughts are formless, not to mention the objects of the external world, the concrete reality surrounding us. This is a situation where we go beyond the understanding of asking ” who is the world?” and “what is the world?”

    So, what is there, in a place without a place, in a situation without situations, in motion without motion, in absolute formlessness?

    I won't be original, I'll just say that God is there.

    God is not life and death, is not motion and immobility, is not form and content, is not space and is not a point. It is not even eternity, nor is it time or times.

    God is neither knowable nor unknowable. It is neither matter nor non-matter. Even I wouldn't call it Spirit any more, because that word has become too standard, too crusty, too mossy after centuries of unworthy use.

    Yes, the whole problem is the inflation of understanding, the inflation of meanings, the inflation of words, from which you have to pull off not only clothes, but skin, so that modern cynical humanity shudders and feels at least one goose bumps on its vertebrae.

    That is, in fact, we come to an apophatic definition of it.

    That's really what your question is about.

    So what you're asking isn't darkness, of course, but it's not “not dark”either. Mind you, I'm not talking about light. And you can't say that this is “the absence of both light and darkness.” No, only apophatically, which means: “Not that, not that…”

    On the other hand, the modern God has crumbled and still occurs, for example, in nuances, in trifles. You can meet Him in everyday life, on an ordinary walk, seeing God in the beauty of a falling autumn leaf. Sometimes it (I often write it with a small letter, because it does not matter how to write it) flashes through our thoughts, illuminating us with the light of an intuitive guess.

    You know, God is beauty. The beauty of human relationships and actions. The beauty of such a fierce and gentle nature. The beauty of chance and the beauty of fate. The beauty of heroism and the beauty of love.

    The beauty of everyday life, the most familiar everyday life. Just watch your life carefully, step by step, and you will understand that God is hiding in your mom and dad, in your family and friends, he smiles and cries, is angry and whispers words of prayer…

    The beauty of the physics of our laws, formulas, and modern technologies is also an unworldly beauty.

    In fact, when a person dies, he meets with himself. After all, when he lives, he doesn't have time, does he? No time to think, no time to do the right thing, no time to help…

    When we die, we meet ourselves. And we begin to see more clearly and vividly the unfinished beauty, our unfinished business, half-thought thoughts, untried emotions and sensations. In other words, we begin to see things that are not our own fault. This is how immersion in a very concrete and, at the same time, abstract formlessness occurs.

    So we came to the answer. Formlessness is an unfinished beauty. When you die, you will meet your unfinished beauty and the unfinished beauty of all others who have ever lived on Earth.

    Therefore, strive to complete the beauty here while you are still alive. As soon as you die, some things will not be able to be completed.

    And yes, perhaps there is no heaven and hell. These are the dichotomous conditions necessary for religious social technologies. But if a person has fallen out of these technological lines, then these concepts become empty words for him. Of course, if he has not learned to see the metaphor of life, the plastic metaphor of human concepts of God, life and death, and beauty.

    Beauty, by the way, is sometimes disharmonious and asynchronous. This is its fundamental difference from harmony. Yes, disharmony sometimes strikes with its beauty, this is very subtly felt, for example, in Japanese Zen Buddhism and poets of a high, metaphorical level. But that's another topic of conversation.

  4. Eternal darkness is ignorance based on laziness and stupidity. If a person really does not want to blindly exist in a relatively reasonable reality, but wants to “wake up” to life in the true reality, it is necessary to adhere to the Commandments of God: to be sincere(pure heart), inquisitive and striving for knowledge. If all this is present in it, knowledge will begin to “flow in”. As you move towards the truth, the darkness will begin to dissipate, and when you finally see clearly, that is, you will become a person who has “learned” the secrets of being, you will understand that the essence of a person is his energy. And according to Helmholtz's law of conservation and transformation of energy, it follows: our conscious energy does not disappear. After passing the “school of life” on Earth, she goes, according to the accumulated knowledge. to those worlds. which it deserves.

  5. Presence in eternal darkness is not the absence of you.. don't confuse them.. if there is nothing there, then you simply won't be there.. I'll try to explain.. right now you are living on two bodies.. yours from which you write and the body of the current President of the Russian Federation Ivan Serenin.. (there is no such person) now tell me, what do you feel with that particular body of yours, what do you remember, what do you think, what do you see?.. that's just it.. this is non-existence.. no blackness, no thoughts, no memories, no sensations.. you just don't exist, but you don't know that either..

  6. The simplest comparison is that death is a dreamless sleep. In a sense, everyone who goes to bed ceases to exist.

    Actually, in my opinion, this is why death is not terrible. Everything ends with it. And there is no one who would worry about this. In fact, people are simply afraid of a painful death. That's really it… brrr… And non-existence… It's a shame, of course, that the year 2100 will most likely be met without me, but they also met 1900 without me and nothing, the Earth is still spinning and will continue to run in its orbit.

  7. Setting aside assumptions, what is non-existence? The unknown. The brain is designed to know existence, how to comprehend non-existence.

    Darkness is not a bad thing, just as light is not a good thing-that's just our interpretation.

    Can we overcome the limits of the brain? Look inside yourself to find the answer. Awareness of the absence of the ” I ” leads through the destruction of illusions to reality.

  8. Only the physical body dies, and we continue to exist as an energy-informational structure of consciousness and its ways of manifesting in the information space of realities.

    This can be compared to a dream to understand. Sleep without being able to return to the body.

  9. Eternal darkness, like the absence of light, is impossible.

    The essence of the light that we see is not that a certain ray gets into our brain, there are no rays in the brain, only signals “work” there, which create a sense of light for us. Therefore, the light source is our brain. The brain takes information either from outside (through eye sensors) or from itself. When we look at the outside world-light is external, when we think-light is internal signals.

    We don't think in darkness, but in images, and so when a person thinks, he automatically closes his eyes to remove external sources and make room for internal ones.

    In a dream, we have light, we see, because the signals come from within, from our private subjective inner world.

    If we talk about the death of the body and the life of consciousness, as you ask, then there will always be this light generated by internal signals (images processed by the thinking algorithm). Well, if death is the absence of any thinking of consciousness, then it is no longer darkness, it is nothing. You can't say that before you were born, you lived in the dark.

    There must be someone who “sees” this darkness, is aware of it.

  10. Well, if you do not allow the obvious, except for reincarnation, of course, then this is a dreamless dream. When you sleep and you don't dream, you wake up and don't remember anything. This will also be the case in your intended case. However, there is absolutely no need to amuse yourself with the impossible.

  11. Like an anaesthetic, I passed out and that's it. The doll broke down and doesn't work anymore. Probably there is no darkness at all, just non-existence. Even after death, we don't know what's going on. Sadness.

  12. There is an assumption that after the physical death of all the energy shells of a person, except for the energy shell of the Spirit, there are three options for the possibility of a further state of the Spirit, which is only a part of the person during life, and therefore cannot have all the spiritual and physical qualities. Option 1: The Spirit is sent to the energy storage of the energy information space and stays there for a certain time, until the complete decomposition of this energy shell. Option 2: for certain reasons, the Spirit is attached to the place of residence of a person during life, the place of death or burial, with the possibility of physical manifestation in the form of a ghost image, sound or physical action of a certain kind, but only when activated by a medium operator, which is extremely rare. After a certain time, and in this case, the energy shell completely decomposes, probably due to the lack of energy recharge. Option 3: The Spirit is introduced into the energy shells of a living person, using it as an energy donor, which in esotericism is called sub-settlement or necroprivation, and in some religious egregors is called obsession with an energy entity, and after the exorcism rite, the Spirit is sent to the energy storage, where it is completely decomposed over time. So, there is an assumption that in any of the three options, the result is “eternal darkness”))))

  13. No. “Eternal darkness” is still some kind of being…darkness, at least, and the one who observes this “darkness”. And here there is simply nothing, because there is no observer, there is no consciousness. Just as you were before you were born, that is, in no way, because you were not. Why go so far, have you ever lost consciousness? And how was it for you there? Was it dark?

  14. From a Christian point of view, this cannot be allowed, the Bible explicitly says that a person has a soul and it goes (after the death of the body to heaven or hell).

    The beggar died and was carried by Angels to the bosom of Abraham. The rich man also died, and they buried him.

    And in hell, when he was in torment, he lifted up his eyes, and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom

    And he cried out and said, ” Father Abraham! have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am tormented in this flame.

    But Abraham said, ” Child! remember that you have already received what is good in your life, and Lazarus what is evil; but now he is comforted here, and you are suffering;

    (Luke 16: 22-25)

    If we take an atheistic position, then yes, after death there is nothing, eternal non-existence, eternal darkness, or eternal absence.

    If we take the Hindu position, then after the death of the body, reincarnation occurs, and, accordingly, endless rebirths.

    And it's up to you to choose which position is closest to you.

  15. Well, in a way, yes. But not for you, but for the observer. The soul has no memory. Just as the states of fundamental particles have no memory. In other words, if you materialize into a new consciousness one day, it will simply be an inclusion. Moreover, in the area of the first months after birth, when neural connections in the brain are sufficiently firmly established and its electrical activity will consistently generate an alternating magnetic field. Outside of these events (between lifetimes, so to speak), you will be out of consciousness. Out of time. Do more important things: be part of the Sun, a planet, or a Black hole…eeeeeehhhhhh!

  16. There is no eternal emptiness or darkness. It is a false idea that lives only as an idea in the minds, causing fear because it is unnatural. Whether we believe in reincarnation or not, we are not exempt from it.

  17. Definitely not, I experienced clinical death. I saw it all with my own eyes. And you will see, but the process of transition from the body to the subtle world is very scary. It lasts for a split second, and then I was flying, but I was pulled back and I came back. There is life after life. There is no such thing as death. Live in peace, we will most likely return to Earth in a new carnation.

  18. The absence of hell / heaven/reincarnation logically does not mean the existence of something else, for example, migration to another world. So the question is not clearly formulated.

    If the materialistic understanding is meant, then eternal darkness after death is also incorrect. Actually, your feelings will be exactly the same as before your appearance: none. Not warm, not cold, not light, not dark, not light, not noisy, not quiet. You will not be there and your feelings will not be there.

  19. Hello. Of all the above, there is no reincarnation, hell as most people know it as a place of eternal torment. According to the Holy Scriptures, death is really the absence of a person in principle. Do you remember what happened before you were born? That's exactly the same after death. Both before birth and after death. However, there will be a resurrection of the dead. According to the Holy Scriptures, what happens after death? What is the resurrection of the dead? How and where will it happen? And most importantly, what should I do to have the hope of resurrection and eternal life? If you want, you can discuss what the Bible says about this.

  20. There is no need to admit this – there really is no Heaven, no Hell, no reincarnation.

    These are just tricks devised by religious leaders to control people.

    And no, it wasn't dark on the Other Side. There's real LIFE there.

    Believe me, the day you get there… even if only for a short time… or with ends – this day will be the best of your life.

  21. If a person who is blind from birth and has never seen the light gets acquainted with the world, does the world appear to him as darkness? No, it's just that his perception is formed at the expense of other senses available to the physical body. These feelings also carry informational bindings, through which the idea of the world will be formed. And if a person lost his sight in the course of life, but managed to know the world in the light, will he change his idea of the world? No, the ideas will remain the same, since they will be supported by the experience of the previous perception, which will only be supplemented by the active feelings of the physical body. But neither in the first nor in the second case, this still does not mean that the world is as it is perceived by consciousness. If consciousness is released from the mind, it will cease to be aware of its Self (the moment of awareness in time will be lost)? No, because mind and consciousness are different things. If you block the memory accumulated during the experience, will self-awareness disappear at the moment of time? Nothing like that, memory has nothing to do with the ability to be aware (only the degree changes). At its core, our consciousness is an energy-information field, and the physical body is only one of its carriers, which allows us to form a perception of a certain level or degree. Energy and information have other forms of their expression or manifestation in a certain density of space. The perception of each density requires its own form as a tool or shell. The underlying information cannot be permanently destroyed. You can only break its structure and lose the ability to process it to a certain extent. The very moment of awareness of our Self is formed precisely due to the compliance of many conditions, including those forms that are used by the energy-information field for its processing. Degrees of perception change along with changing forms, and energy and information undergo transformation from one of their expressions (manifestations) to another. Along with a certain form of perception, the concept of time is also formed. Because the material form is the time, the way of perception and the speed of information processing. Time is part of distance, part of space. And matter is a distortion of one in the other. You should know that it is impossible to determine the location of a microparticle in space and its velocity with the same accuracy. The higher the speed of its movement is determined, the less it is possible to determine its location. Such a particle seems to blur in space and at each individual moment in time, it either exists or does not exist. You can call such a microparticle virtual, but it is responsible for information bindings and the formation of field integrity. Matter is a distortion of the state of such virtual particles in the process of their motion. And people are used to calling death the moment of transformation of the state of their habitual perception (degree), which is associated with a change in the form of manifestation of the energy-information field in a certain spatial density. Which, of course, is associated with a change in the perceived vector of the passage of time, as I have already said, but I will not describe this further. Instead, it is better to return to the question in which the author suggests evaluating from the point of view of the current degree of perception what cannot be perceived by this degree and therefore cannot be described by building semantic connections between meanings that are understandable to consciousness. In other words, this is not a suitable format for describing in words what can be perceived through the very original expression of energy-information interactions (as the author says beyond all possible forms, although this will also be a form) available to our current understanding. In this sense, you can guess for as long as you want, because we simply can't even imagine it.

  22. Have you ever fallen asleep and had no dreams? I.e. only when you woke up did you realize that you were asleep. After you die, it will be nothing and you will not even feel anything.

  23. Darkness and silence require at least some consciousness, as well as sight and hearing. And non-existence means that there will no longer be any consciousness in principle. Similar to deep, dreamless sleep, unconsciousness, or pre-birth states.

  24. If we assume…etc., then death is the complete disappearance of the being called man, along with his individuality and inner universe…in general, it is as if our living, bright, bustling life and all the time somewhere moving and changing Universe would be shoved first into permafrost,and then into an equally eternal darkness, where there is not the slightest movement…no sounds at all…no glimmer of hope for the CONTINUATION of TIME…It'S OVER…really.And then the feeling of ice that the body has turned into is erased, like an eraser— a pencil sketch…that's all.

  25. Well yes. And this, by the way, is an absolutely normal state for a person. Darkness. Every night, when our consciousness shuts down, we experience this very darkness. After death, it will be so. Just not “fell-dark-woke-up-plaster”, but ” fell-dark -…”

  26. Paradise existed at the beginning of creation Genesis 2 :8 ” And the LORD God planted a garden in Eden on the east , and placed there the man whom he had created. This place disappeared in the flood.

    Hell is not a place of torment, but a place where everyone goes after death, i.e. the common grave of humanity, regardless of what kind of death a person died. From hell, there is a resurrection (re-creation) when that time comes. Revelation 20: 13 ” … and death and HELL gave up the dead…”

    A person is a person, and will always remain the same person after resurrection. (After the resurrection, people will be given the opportunity to learn to live in accordance with the laws of God.)

    But death – – – is simply NON-EXISTENCE! Life- – – BEING!.

  27. Well, if so , it's not even dark. Darkness is the presence of an observer and the absence of visual cues. And since there is no observer, there is simply nothing. Nothing. A cliff, that's all.

  28. Life is a gift from God for a born person, and death is the absence of this gift:

    “…the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life … ” (Rom. 6: 23)

    Adam received the gift of life and could live in Paradise forever. But he sinned and died, and passed on to all his descendants what he had, sin, imperfection, sickness, and death. So death appeared for people. Because of Adam, everyone who is born gets an undeserved life, but because of Adam, they die.

    “Therefore, as sin entered into the world by one man, and death by sin, so death passed on to all men, because in him all sinned” (Rom 5: 12).

    Hell is not a place of eternal torment, but just a grave where all people go. However, there will be a resurrection of the dead. What does this mean? God will restore the dead people, He will bring them back to life again.

    “having hope in God that there will be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and of the unrighteous, which they also expect.”24:15)

    For all who are born and die, there is death and hell-the grave, and the hope of resurrection, or eternal non-existence, according to God's decision-as before birth, so after death. And for those who were not born, this is not eternal darkness, they simply do not exist, and for those who are not yet, none of the above can be, including eternal darkness.

    “…what is not, cannot be counted. ” (Eccl. 1: 15)

  29. There is a body. There is a mind that is always occupied with thoughts. And there is an observer. It stays that way. Here, in the waking state, we do not notice it, like the air. The mind is usually preoccupied with serving the body's biological needs. Very busy, no time to stop). But if it is developed, it will increasingly see the world of ideas and meanings. The world of ideas-it seems to have come from Plato. That, they say, everything that exists materially is just a cast of it. Which is more primary – spirit or matter-has been debated by materialists and idealists for centuries. So what is the world of ideas? Well, roughly speaking, these are mathematics, philosophy, and theoretical sciences. High-quality art. All this is not created by people, but is open, pulled to the surface. What for? Because the mind has to do something) and the best it can do is observe itself and then notice that the Self is not in the mind. And not in the body. Therefore, I am immortal. And the body and brain are needed by this Ego in order to have time to do something, learn, etc. You can't do it after you die. I don't know what's IN THERE, but if it's non-existence, then it's okay. No one to be afraid of) Oh, yes, this very observer is not an individual, it is part of the collective IT. It is the mind that imagines itself as a separate person and fears its end.

    In general, I don't know much, but others didn't say that.

    Answering the question-I am inclined to believe that there will be reincarnation. The Christian concept is repulsive for some reason… primitive, manipulative.

  30. this is how difficult it is, all of you can imagine, remember the time before your birth, and the fact that many people taking heaven and hell for faith deprive the world of progress, as they say, it hurts to think

  31. What is darkness? There is no absolute darkness, otherwise there would be no light. So, darkness is the minimal presence of white light. But the light is there! Black lives only with white. And light is Divine. This means that God is also present where you think He is. Remember Dante. I. H. went down to hell to pick up the sinners….came back.
    Death is what is behind the door of the world of life. No one can speak of death in death in the words of life, because death has a different language. And does it exist in such an understanding of life as you have? Doubtful.
    They say that in ancient Egypt they somehow worshipped the god RA – the god of Salt. A bright and luminous deity. A generation passed and the god Ra was made blinding…i.e., the god of darkness…

  32. my near-death experience says it all. that it's all true. when I went into a coma. and out of the body . the first feeling of absolute peace . and freedom . this is not a likely event. then they appeared . two angels one stood on the right and the other on the left. And I realized that they were holding me . no arms, no legs. there are no wings. they were in a transparent ball . just like me. what struck me was this . their faces are young and general . not a divination of any kind . emotions . freedom was immediately lost . and they took me . and the feeling of the corridor . in space . and they lead me to very big ones . a gate without walls . and the very space that surrounded me is different . it's even impossible to compare . mother-in-law . rest. and now the gate didn't open . and the angels led me back . and I woke up . there was no sense of time passing at all . the time is not there.

  33. The problem with fictions about life after death is that the human brain simply cannot imagine the world without itself. People come to the simple “conclusion” that the world cannot exist without them. In general, you don't need to try to imagine “nothing”, it will never come in handy.

  34. Heaven, hell, reincarnation, all these are products of fear, a protective reaction of the brain, which with such fantasies smooths out, softens the horror of inevitable death, non-existence. Such therapy certainly eases the suffering of a person, gives him hope for a bright, painless existence beyond life. What will actually happen? Probably nothing, because there will be no one who has experienced, realized, felt, or feared up to this point. What you were will dissolve, disintegrate into small pieces, becoming food for other forms of life, material for other uses in the natural environment. In general, you will not be a useless product, but even a very necessary material. Do you agree that it is an honorable privilege to be a participant in this dizzying process of creation?

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