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  1. Concerning the providence of the expulsion from Paradise, Isaac the Syrian. On the Divine mysteries. Conversation 39, 4 and 5; mitr.Hilarion Alfeyev ” The End of Time.Orthodox teaching ” pp. 31-34.�

    This question is very subtle. Genesis 3-the birth of CONSCIENCE. And they were ashamed that they were naked. Shame that they are animals. The forefathers realized that they were sinful. Awareness of sinfulness is the potential for an evolutionary movement.�

    Regarding Rom 5: 12.Paul, like Moses, says diplomatically that the law is necessary to understand sinfulness. See Rome 3:22,4:15, 5:13,5:20, �7:7,8,9,14. Christ is the deliverance from sin, the transfiguration. But metanoia can be considered conscious.�

    And about heredity Genesis 4:1. Eve acquired from GOD. Who would you think? �the fratricide of Cain. Moses did not point this out in vain. This is not said about Abel. Everything is from God.

  2. What are many of them, for example, from the authoritative ones among the majority of Christians?

    And how can this be reconciled with the Bible?

    You also need to clarify what exactly is meant. Original sin or subsequent sin?

    That is, the Apostle Paul to the Romans:

    Therefore, just as sin entered the world by one man, and death by sin, so death passed on to all men, because in him all sinned.

    https://www.bibleonline.ru/bible/rst78/rom-5.12/

    This is exactly what concerns original sin and the situation in the world before the coming of Christ. After all then comes the time of which the prophet Jeremiah says:

    29 In those days it will no longer be said, “The fathers have eaten sour grapes, but the children's teeth are set on edge,” 30 but every man will die for his own iniquity.

    https://www.bibleonline.ru/bible/rst78/jer-31.29-30/

    It is necessary to distinguish between the first and the second. I won't be able to provide a quick link, for example, there is an article�

    Archpriest Vadim Kikin: A Biblical and Patristic assessment of the Doctrine of the “inheritance” of sin

    But I can't find it online. It explores popular mistakes regarding the inheritance of sin.

  3. Imagine a mold in which molten metal is poured and then after the metal cools down, a certain metal part is removed from the mold. What happens to the parts if the mold gets dented? Obviously, the parts will have the same dent. What happens if someone denies the idea of transferring a dent from a mold to a part? Nothing, just the same, the same dent.

    It is the same in the human race – Adam is the original form, Adam's sin is a dent, and the a priori sinfulness of all subsequent generations is a detail with a dent. You can deny it as much as you want, but the fact remains.

    Adam's descendants are not punished for Adam's sin, but for their own sins, but the a priori predisposition to sin of all Adam's descendants is derived from Adam's sin, just as the dent on every part is derived from the dent on the original mold.

    • “Many theologians have denied the idea that the sins of the fathers are transferred to posterity … “, –

    … the statement is questionable, because it is known: –

    • those who hate Me, …”A jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of their fathers to the third and fourth generation, Your God, I am the Lord.”.. !

    As for the descendants of Adam, they inherited from their forefather only a “sinful lust” – that is, a tendency to sin. And this is how they disposed of it during the temporary life, the fruit of which will be their posthumous REWARD!

    You can't deny that you enjoy the very idea of being “like the gods“!? Not to mention the sudden opportunity to command!

    It is from here that one's own righteousness or sinfulness is born in the heart of a person!

  4. I'll keep quiet about your unsubstantiated claim about theologians. Throwing loud statements is generally fashionable today, although it's stupid.) Dogmas about Adam's sin don't exist, believe me. There is the obvious guilt of Eve's womanhood, and her temptation. Which was the reason for the expulsion of people from Paradise and the arrival of death. Why is the paradise theme so exciting? Very simple – due to the ignorance of people. The history of the heavenly fall has taken root very well in art-in painting and literature. Cain's sin before Abel is not so popularistic. Or the sin of kindred incest, when due to the lack of muzhzhikov, there was a criminal relationship in the eyes of God. For me, the most terrible thing is blindly following God's instructions, when in order to test my jealousy, he ordered me to kill like a lamb.. your own son! Yes, this is an example of the ideal service to the Highest, but it's scary!

    We are also inventing artificial intelligence today. And tomorrow-he will be the dignitary of the disappearance of millions of people. Today we are playing genes in a test tube, and soon new virruses will break free and mow down half the globe at once. Here's the real idea of sin! Which was invented for the good)

  5. Many peoples and religions have phrases that ” future generations will have to pay for the sins of their parents in one way or another .Some write about seven or nine tribes ,but it is a fact that nothing goes unpunished, even the sins of the ancestors.

  6. Genetic diseases that are inherited are the sins of the fathers . And � is often unknown� fathers� to buy them ourselves , but the biblical� version � quite so � yourself� in the spirit � explanation . Take revenge on � man �, yes to all� people � it is in the spirit of � our good God)))

  7. I don't know about “many theologians”. Adam's sin, clearly described in the Bible, is understood differently in different traditions. Here is some difference in views on this sin:

    1. In Orthodoxy, it is believed that man was created perfect, but Adam's sin damaged the perfect nature of man and was transmitted by his descendants. At the same time, Adam's guilt did not pass on to the descendants (it could not because), but the descendants of Adam became “comfortable with sin”, that is, it became easier for them to sin. If Adam had the right to choose-to let evil or sin into the world of people or not to let it, then people had a limited choice, they were doomed to constantly choose between good and evil and could not help but commit evil (in thoughts or actions). Hence the idea that people fell, but retained a distorted image of God (intelligence, creativity, etc.), but lost the likeness (ceased to be like God by grace).

    2. In Roman Catholicism, the idea is similar, but somewhat different. There it is believed that Adam fell, because he was created with a gift from God and this gift had to be earned. This gift was manifested in his likeness, and Adam did not pass the test. Therefore, grace was lost by Adam, but it did not originally belong to his nature (God's gift). Now it is necessary to earn it (the theory of merit) by good deeds, so that God will return it.

    3. In Protestantism, the idea of original sin reached the point where, according to the founders of Protestantism, sin damaged the whole person, both the image and the likeness, and in such a way that a person had no choice at all between good and evil (or rather, he became very limited). Therefore, salvation is seen as the work of God alone, and the work of man is to believe in God and hope for His mercy. No deeds, no feelings save a person – only faith (Sola fide). Yes, and sin is understood as the guilt of Adam's descendants before God, direct guilt. Therefore, the judgment of God over people looks like a lawsuit in which the Son of God, Christ, takes the blame of Adam for us and God the Father has mercy on us. So this is the idea of “Divine Amnesty” we remain sinners, but God forgives us.

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