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  1. For the same reason that many believers are dishonest. A person may believe in God, but believe that God will forgive, or that God does not exchange for trifles, or that it is possible to balance deception with a good deed, etc. He may not believe, but be guided by the reaction of society or-ta-dam – on his own conscience. Which depends more on the stories of mom and dad than on faith.

    Remember why a conscientious atheist is closest to God?:)

  2. You can't put an equal sign between “being religious” and “being decent.” Decency and honesty are the result of proper upbringing in the family, and not the result of performing religious rites and visiting religious organizations.

  3. Lack of faith doesn't make everything meaningless. I don't know what is meant by “everything”, but, for example, the meaning of life can be both in religious achievements, and in social, personal, or even simple enjoyment. Even the word meaning is related to the word thought. It implies that meaning is something meaningful, deliberate. To believe without hesitation is meaningless. But if a choice was made – to be an atheist or a believer, no matter what arguments the person choosing for himself used in this choice, the meaning is already there.

    Thus, the question is based on either delusion or sophistry.

    However, the question still makes sense.

    For a long time, in many countries of the Mediterranean region, and now around the world, various cults of the Jewish god (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) dictated norms of behavior both at the public and at the state, legislative level. Therefore, it is difficult for people who are used to living like this to believe that there can be another moral system (this is like with classical and relativistic mechanics). A system in which the main value is taken not by the human soul, but by the human life. It is just as imperfect as the religious one, but decency, honesty, and kindness are just as important. The fact is that most people want to live without the fear that they will be deceived, betrayed or abandoned in a difficult situation. This is one of the components of the value of human life. Therefore, decency, honesty and kindness are inherent in a secular society no less than in a religious one. Only the reasons are different – not God, but the desire to live in a healthy society.

  4. A person, as an idea, can exist only against the background of other ideas. For example, we can't portray the idea of white on white as white. The shape and background must be different. So it is with people.

  5. It's simple. The fact is that decency and honesty are valuable in themselves. People may not want to commit to being honest with others, but no one wants to be cheated on and betrayed. If you have the choice of making a deal with an honest person or with a fraudster, you will obviously choose an honest person. If there is a choice between marrying a decent woman or a woman with low social responsibility, you will obviously choose a decent woman. God has nothing to do with it yet, it's just the mind. Only an unintelligent person will not see the difference between honesty and deceit.

    As for man's relationship with God, it is far superior to worldly righteousness.

  6. It follows from this question that believers will immediately fall into all grave sins if there is irrefutable evidence of the absence of God.

    Many atheists have lived and are living decently and honestly without God. Great scientists have made great scientific discoveries not because everything is meaningless. On the contrary, if it weren't for them, we wouldn't have the Internet to discuss this topic.

    Believers, though opposed to anything new, are willing to use the works of atheists

  7. It's not that it's pointless,but of course it is.

    The characteristics you listed are the dictates of society.You live in it and act according to its rules.
    “Decency”, “Honesty”, “Kindness” are, roughly speaking, forms of exploitation of you for the sake of obtaining personal benefits.Why should you be decent and honest?So as not to harm others,not to deceive them.Kindness is an opportunity to receive some benefits selflessly, this is encouraged, because people like to get yum for nothing.Human society is quite a competitive and selfish environment.

    You may not be decent, honest, or kind if you don't want to interact with society.You can go against it by referring to the cruelty of people as a maximalistic teenager.Or you can overthrow the bourgeois government by setting a course for building a communist society.
    Be fair, most importantly, and do not forget the golden rule of morality

  8. I think most atheists don't even know why they are atheists, because they don't see God, so he doesn't exist. This is the easiest position in life. But only a few people want to think and dig a little deeper.

    I will try to state my point of view. This is not the Middle Ages, when only the church can explain to people what is good and what is bad. Now this is done more or less by everyone, starting almost from the maternity hospital. We now have so many educational institutions where children are brought up from the very beginning according to a more or less correct idea of good and bad things, and parents in many families are not so hopeless in this sense.

    What I'm saying is that the function of God as a being who is feared and therefore behaves well is no longer there…

    As a mustachioed philosopher once famously said, ” God is dead.” And he died because he was no longer needed, precisely in the role of the last judgment.

    Now God and the church are largely symbolic figures, they exist, of course, for those who believe in them, but they also remind people by their very fact that they need to behave well, just in case. In addition, we must not forget that religion is one of the main carriers of the history and culture of mankind. I think that I have already answered the question, but I think it is important to say that you can not stop looking for God inside yourself, it is this inner search that subconsciously makes us better and forces us to move on throughout our life, improving ourselves and pushing us to reach for the beautiful.

  9. Is it only the existence of God that makes sense?

    The point is to live this life with dignity, to bring good to yourself and others, to be just an honest and good person.

    First of all, your good qualities are needed not by God, but by yourself and your loved ones.

  10. Let's think rationally. Sorry for my dismissive answer, I don't have much time to respond, but these friends need to be answered.

    Read the answer 1 :

    You can't put an equal sign between “being religious” and “being decent.” Decency and honesty are the result of proper upbringing in the family, and not the result of performing religious rites and visiting religious organizations.

    The first part of the sentence is a hard statement (doubts are not even noticed), the second part is an explanation (also quite confident). The man clearly believes what he is saying

    The first part is too long to chew, but the point is that there is no point in looking for similarities between the car and gasoline. If anyone is interested, write to me and I'll try to answer the first big part.

    Decency and honesty are the result of proper upbringing in the family, and not the result of performing religious rites and visiting religious organizations

    • I think there is some truth here. Not much will change from just going to church, Mecca, or anywhere else just to be there. Well, or from the fact that you will be there with a tambourine running or somehow doing something around the campfire (if you are a pagan).

    But one big detail is still missing here: yes, decency and honesty depend on external factors, BUT they also depend on internal factors, on the very person to whom the upbringing was directed. And this is oh so important. Do you think decency and honesty are acquired 1 time in childhood and exist with you for the rest of your life? Did you gain decency and honesty as a child and spend your whole life walking around with what you gained?

    A simple but instructive example: my mother forced me to go to the ballet as a child. Well, I went, I went, I went. Do you know how tired I am of all this? Well, you understand, it was not grafted in, and I did a lot of work there in training. How many kids are like me? I think it was more up to me here. It can also be the case with decency and honesty, why not? I think it will be hard to argue with me.

    And here is the answer 2:

    For the same reason that many believers are dishonest. A person may believe in God, but believe that God will forgive, or that God does not exchange for trifles, or that it is possible to balance deception with a good deed, etc. He may not believe, but be guided by the reaction of society or-ta-dam – on his own conscience. Which depends more on the stories of mom and dad than on faith.

    Remember why a conscientious atheist is closest to God?:)

    Remember why a conscientious atheist is closest to God? “that's partly true. I don't think the author has any idea about this. But this is far from the truth. I know a man who lived according to his conscience, but did bad things and did not even think about it. And the Bible says that there is only one type of sin that cannot be forgiven: blasphemy against the Holy spirit. If you think about it, you can decipher it like this: if you don't see the sin and can't ask for forgiveness, then this sin is sitting well in you and you can't be with God. Therefore, you are far from God, how far I do not know, at least farther than someone else.

    For the same reason that many believers are dishonest” – we believe badly. If we had a grain of faith, we could ask the mountain to move, and it would move. Unfortunately, there are no perfect people among us, but knowing, being aware of it, accepting that we make mistakes, forgiving, we become better. <=== small orders to do to become better. It is also advisable to read the Bible, that is, to know the “Word of God”.

    And here is the 3rd udalets:

    If a person does the right thing only to avoid being punished by higher forces, then can he be considered kind, honest, unselfish and just?

    • don't you know that they will be rewarded for showing off? That's what the Bible says. They'll get what they deserve. And it also says a lot of things, including the fact that those who condemn will also get what they deserve. Well, from the contemporaries who lived about 400 years ago, Kant wrote about this in some of his work, I think “Aesthetics” (I may be wrong).

    Last one for today:

    Is it only the existence of God that makes sense?

    The point is to live this life with dignity, to bring good to yourself and others, to be just an honest and good person.

    First of all, your good qualities are needed not by God, but by yourself and your loved ones.

    • a complex answer is needed here. Without instuktsiy (Bible) and trenirvok (smreniya, confessions) it is difficult to carry the good and the good. Although it seems to all of us that we live correctly and do everything correctly, but this can only be our illusion. What if it's an illusion? How do I detect it? We are influenced by our culture, environment, traditions, and anything else you want. Where is the guarantee that their influence is correct? Where is the criterion? If you live and do not die, then everything is fine, you are doing everything right? This is not a criterion. The fascists burned people for a while, lived well until the reckoning came. In their case, it occurred 4 years after the beginning of the war with the USSR.

    First of all, your good qualities are needed not by God, but by yourself and your loved ones.

    • I agree that this is important, yes, it is good and right to be kind. But I can't help but ask: why do I need it in the first place? This is so, I couldn't help but ask, the answer is interesting.
  11. If a person does the right thing only to avoid being punished by higher forces, then can he be considered kind, honest, unselfish and just?

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