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  1. What you describe is a projection of loneliness. And the perception of death as loneliness. Eternal, powerless, helpless. When we explore fear with our clients, we quickly come to the conclusion that the fear of loneliness is more important than the fear of death, and that it is much easier to die and disappear than to be left alone forever. There is even a horror story on the Internet about a room where you can find yourself after death-in it you will lie forever on the floor and will not be able to move. Never. That's what I mean by hell.

    Normally, loneliness and the expectation of loneliness creates a sense of frustration, which, in turn, gives rise to libido —the desire for life. A healthy sense of frustration leads to the need to fill the accumulated discomfort and even anxiety with something sweet and pleasant. That is, loneliness gives rise to the desire for pleasure, and the expectation of death gives rise to the need to have time to get as much of this pleasure as possible. And this is a normal state. If something is violated, for example, a person did not have the right to pleasure, including sexual pleasure, if he is very strict with himself, if a cloud of evil inner “gods” is gathering over him, then his pleasure from life, in principle, is always under threat. And death is just an excuse for one of the evil inner gods to poke a stick at a poor person and say: “Look, your life is insignificant, it means nothing, all your pleasures are garbage, go kill yourself.” Well, as an example.

    After all, people kill themselves just because of the unbearable loneliness, and at this moment they are not at all afraid to disappear. On the contrary, they perceive death as a relief. This is because they have no idea of death as just another stage of loneliness. But if this is how you see it, and this darkness devalues your existence, then there is an evil god hidden in it. In suicidal people, it is hidden in the words and actions of real people who rejected them, humiliated them, and so on.

    I certainly have no problems with libido, with sexuality, with aggression, with self-strictness and with frustration. Therefore, death and loneliness cannot devalue my existence, which is determined by the eternal desire for life and pleasure. I will not stop wanting to live, because there is no one inside me who can say that I or something inside me is not important. Depreciation, as an element of the psyche, has disappeared somewhere😊

  2. You ask something like: do you have to live if you die sooner or later? Do you need to wash if you get dirty sooner or later?)

    Of course, this is a matter of choice. Everyone decides for themselves how to place accents. For me, the answer is of course. After all, as long as I live, I can influence events and the world around me. That's the only thing that matters. I just don't see why I need to look for a reason to make sense of everything I do.

    The fact is that we don't know what will happen after death. You can look at this question in different ways, but the fact is that we don't know. It's a mystery. And maybe it's not just that – but we don't know for sure either. This is an unknown component of life. Oblivion or non-oblivion is all afterward. This is not the here and now. And here and now-me and my life. That's the best thing to do.

    Because I can do something with my life, but not with death.

  3. If the “results” of our life are absent, have no social significance, or there is no way to pass them on to someone who will continue to live, then yes, there is not much “value”.
    What makes us human is not only (and not so much) genetic information, but also the socio-cultural information component.
    And there are instincts that push us to transmit this very” our ” information. For primitive creatures, this is equivalent to extending their own life. If a creature has only genetic information, then it is “easier” for it to pass on “its value”: it left offspring and, consider, reincarnated.
    A person is more complex, and it is more difficult for him to “transfer himself”.
    But if we do this properly, then our physical death, as well as the life of our genes and mental information structures outside of our bodies, is presented in a completely different light.

  4. For these things to devalue existence, only their opposites must give it value. For example, if you believe that only eternal glory gives value to the present existence, then future oblivion devalues it. Or if you think that only the eternal existence of your self gives value to the present one, then its complete disappearance [if that is what you mean by eternal darkness] devalues everything. If, for example, you see the value of your present existence in momentary pleasures or in momentary power, then both of these things lose their meaning.

    You can figure out the various options for yourself and see how they relate to your ideas about “oblivion and eternal darkness”.

    However, it should be borne in mind that any such ideas are not the result of “objective knowledge of the world”— they themselves are conditioned by the previous choice of this or that value as the highest, as if you see the world through these values.

    For more information, see the book “Ivan the Fool's Quest for Meaning”.

  5. No, they don't devalue it. Because there is no eternal darkness.

    According to the scientific view, human consciousness completely disappears with the death of the physical body. It's like sleeping and not dreaming. No. No eternal darkness, no eternal light , nothing. And the person does not know about it, because his consciousness is no longer there.

    According to the religious view , some part of consciousness remains, and, as they say, everyone will receive according to their faith.

    So, whether you are a believer or not, live according to your conscience, and do not be afraid of any darkness.

  6. Is it possible to see a mountain while sitting on a mountain? Whence this suggestion that “Oblivion and eternal darkness after death”? Who put forward the hypothesis of an afterlife? This is just the result of a restless human mind. Try to mentally track what preceded your birth, and then you may realize that there is no such thing as death.

    We have no experience of dying, and we know about death from others. Caterpillar, pupa, butterfly-then the border of knowledge, the border of understanding. Going beyond these boundaries, you can talk about what is behind the curtain. There are things that can only be speculated about.

    Hence the hypothesis about the afterlife-a lot of talk, assumptions, assumptions, but not a single fact – the afterlife is just a figment of our imagination.

    Therefore, all this can not “devalue the current existence”, but on the contrary makes it even more interesting and meaningful.

  7. Have you returned from the dead? How do you know what death is for you personally, and even more so for me personally?

    How do you know what comes after death for you personally, and even more so for me personally?

    We know quite clearly and firmly only the external things that are observed. But these observations cannot in any way explain what is contained in the phenomenon of death for the one who experiences death and what follows after death for the one who dies.

    Even the words of mystics and texts of religious traditions are still external to such a case, since it is an objectified subjective experience. Their experience is a verbalized description of what mystics and religious leaders have experienced. And we can only rely on this description as indirect, suggestive, but not final.

    This conclusion comes from the fact that if we analyze the descriptions of posthumous existence in different traditions of spiritual knowledge, they will strongly contradict each other in some places, and in others they will converge. But if we generalize this experience, then in the end it becomes clear only that there is nothing definitely clear in this matter, the matter of death and post-mortem existence. There is only information of different calibres and values.

    And it is not that the saints and prophets have deceived and erred. No, they were trying to convey their experience as accurately as possible. The fact is that it is impossible to convey the taste of a peach to someone who has never eaten a peach in his life. Until the person eats the peach himself, or at least takes a bite of it. Saints, mystics, and prophets simply took a bite of the peach-some smaller, some bigger.

    The only way to truly experience the taste of death and stay alive is to eat a piece of it yourself in full consciousness, and not swallow it whole.

    Today, this is more of a question for mastering special psychotechnics that allow you to reach this state of consciousness and return from it to ordinary consciousness.

    I believe that the process of dying is like the process of falling asleep. And death itself is very similar to a dream, a dream. The dream seems to be there and it doesn't seem to be there.

    However, the outside world is also like a dream. It seems to be there and it doesn't seem to be there. Including myself.

    And what makes you think that you are yourself?

    But such conclusions do not negate the need to live and act. Because the whole of life is more than just a dream, although it is very similar to it. Metaphor helps us understand reality, but any metaphor is not reality itself. These are different things.

    Therefore, death is not a dream. Life is not a dream. You are not a dream. I am not a dream. The world is not a dream, an illusion, or a deception.

  8. If the question is addressed to me personally, then, first of all, oblivion does not exist for me, as well as for everyone who
    has left this world. Oblivion is a category from earth life. Secondly, I humbly hope that in my new life after the end of the earth, eternal darkness will not overtake me. And the value of my earthly life is not so great in comparison with the life of the next century.
    If the question is impersonal, then for each person the answer will be individual, depending on the state of his mind.
    But, regardless of whether he professes any religion or not, thoughts about immortality are inherent in a person from the Creator. He gave each of his creations, if not faith in the future life, then hope. He is Good and Merciful. It is we who try to turn away from Him, but He, as a loving parent, is always near his child, taking care of him every minute.
    Not all people are discouraged by the thought that after death they will be forgotten. Normal Homo sapiens don't think about this side of life at all. Only people with damaged minds worry about what they have no idea about.
    Cultists are much more relaxed in this regard : various creeds have at their disposal evidence of eternal life. Maybe it's time for people to listen to them,so that they don't feel like abandoned babies in a dark forest?
    The value of a person's life depends on what he himself puts into this concept. Whether it's sporting achievements, or achievements in politics, economics, or culture. All this depends on how useful a person's life has been, both from the point of view of society and from their personal assessment of themselves. It is difficult to say what thoughts come to a person at the moment of transition to eternity. But the devaluation of one's existence may not be directly related to the fear of “eternal darkness.” Rather, it is the result of an aimless existence. The lack of meaning in life can lead a person to the fact that all his personal achievements did not give the desired effect. And disbelief gives rise to the thought of a life lived in vain.

  9. Probably not,and that's why.Consciousness is the form in which thoughts, to put it simply..unkillable and non-erasable form.So there must be a place for her somewhere, beyond these days.There is no doubt about it.Although you can't hide it, it gives you a chill, and if there is a place, then there is something to think about.Of course, according to the nature and familiarity of these earthly days.And then, one way or another, everyone will still cross this “Rubicon”.Type what you can type,in this format of course.With warmth.

  10. there is no darkness after death, after the death of the brain there is no consciousness, no colors, including black, you will not have before your eyes are closed. And since there is no consciousness, we are unable to imagine, even hypothetically, whether there is any model of any appearance or awareness of something.

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