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  1. There is a chance. Nothing fundamentally fantastic.

    Personally, I'd put it at forty. Or other synanthropic corvids. They are already clearly being selected for thinking skills in urban conditions, and if they add even more complexity to social life and collective activities, they can get smarter right in parallel with us. Unlike rats (which also grow smarter and tend to socialize), corvids live longer than 10 years and are not biochemically predisposed to early aging. So in the course of evolution, they will be able to live even longer. Longevity will contribute to the transfer of experience and the development of culture.

  2. Stanislav Dobryshevsky, in his course lectures on anthropogenesis in post-science, argues that this is possible in principle, but it requires quite a lot of conditions.

    Evolution has no purpose, so the emergence of intelligence is the result of the coincidence of certain conditions. At the same time, anthropologists note that the development of the human brain is a rather risky process. Our brain consumes a huge amount of energy, so it must provide significant benefits in the early stages in order for the tendency to develop during natural selection to be fixed. Just the absence of a large number of brainy animals just shows that in the course of evolution, other paths of development are “chosen”. A large brain leads to the fact that human cubs remain helpless longer, even compared to gorilla and chimpanzee cubs, and therefore more resources should be invested in a human cub.

    If we talk about potential candidates for development similar to humans, Dobryshevsky points out that these should be social animals with a predisposition to tool activity (the presence of fingers) and certain behavioral patterns. Therefore, under certain conditions, other intelligent animal species may appear on Earth in the long term.

    Link to the course of lectures youtube.com

  3. Good question. However, it requires clarification in this version: WHICH ANIMAL SPECIES COULD HAVE BECOME INTELLIGENT LONG BEFORE HUMANS? The clarification is quite appropriate. The fact is that the human ancestor appeared on Earth “quite recently” – about 3 million years ago. But! For millions of years, OTHER SPECIES of animals have lived on Earth that had real prerequisites for the development of intelligence. And they could have become intelligent LONG BEFORE HUMANS. This was also pointed out by Ch. Darwin: “To say, without taking direct evidence, that no animal has improved in its mental capacity is to reject the development of species altogether.”

    Skeptics will argue: if certain species had acquired intelligence long before humans, where would they be? Why don't we see them? This question was first asked by physicist Enrico Fermi (“The Fermi Paradox”). The skeptics 'argument seems almost “murderous” for the stated hypothesis. However, it is easily answered by scientists: “The absence of evidence is not proof of absence.” Evidence must be sought. In the modern world, there are many mysterious phenomena that may indicate the existence on Earth of other civilizations other than human (“circles” in the fields of England, UFOs, etc.). The problem is that “serious” scientists do not see (DO NOT WANT to see) these phenomena. Or they offer “rational” versions to explain them, which do not stand up to scientific criticism.

    Scientists advise: first you need to prove the “EXISTENCE THEOREM” of a new phenomenon and ONLY THEN raise questions about its causes and consequences. The reasons for the version about the existence of other intelligent beings on the ancient Earth, other than humans, are given, for example, by archeology. In particular, the archeology of the Japanese Islands and its main mystery-clay DOGU figurines. These are small (from 3 to 30 cm) anthropomorphic figures made of clay, belong to the era of Dzemon (the beginning of the era-20 thousand years ago). “At the initial stage of modern Japanese archaeology, some considered them children's toys, others saw them as figurines of deities, and still others considered them as amulets” – (archaeologist, R. S. Vasilevsky and others).

    Unlike archaeologists, science fiction writers (A. P. Kazantsev and others) believed that the dogu figurines represented extraterrestrials who visited the Japanese Islands during the Jomon era (thousands of years ago). This hypothesis was based on the superhuman proportions of the dogu figures. Some Dogu are depicted in elaborate costumes that resemble the spacesuit of an astronaut or diver. According to science fiction writers, the Great Dane's huge eyes indicate that they came from a planet where there was very little light.

    1 Photo of dogu figurines in a ” protective suit “and” helmets ” on their heads. On the” head helmet ” of the dog, “technical” details are visible, similar to” light protection glasses “and”breathing filters”. There is even an “observation hatch” in the back of the “head helmet” (central figure, rear view). Photo of dogu from the collection of A. P. Kazantsev in the author's color treatment (source: Technika-Molodezhi magazine, No. 1 for 1967)

    However. The” alien ” version of the dogu's origin was convincingly refuted by a well-known ethnologist, Sergey Arutyunov. He drew the attention of science fiction writers to the fact that the technology of making dogu figurines has a long history-from primitive products of “early Dzemon” to perfect figures of “late Dzemon”. However, the morphology of the” anthropoid ” Great Dane does differ from that of humans. Especially striking are the eyes of the Great Dane. S. A. also recognized this. Arutyunov: “In many later figurines, they occupy almost the entire face, which now has no resemblance to a human face at all, rather resembling the head of some insect like a dragonfly.”

    2 Female torso of the dogu figurine. There are no spacesuits here, but the morphology of the dogu anthropoid is radically different from that of a human (photo from Znanie-Sila magazine No. 9, 1970).

    This indicates that the” sitters ” of the dogu figures were most likely NOCTURNAL PRIMATES whose eyes were not adapted to bright daylight. This is why almost all dogu are depicted with their eyes closed. The biological prototypes of the dogu were undoubtedly terrestrial creatures – some kind of nocturnal primate. But which ones? Let's ask the question: are there any nocturnal primates of small stature, but with large eyes ? Primatologists, without hesitation, will answer: there are such primates. These are TARSIERS. And only tarsiers (family Tarsiidae or tarsii).

    3 “The tarsiers' skull is rounded and the head resembles a human face decorated with large glasses rather than an animal's muzzle”- biologist, A. Kondratov. (Photo source: http://roflzoo.com/happy-lemur.html)

    Fig. 4 On the left – Dogu's eyes squeezed shut. On the right – closed eyes of tarsiers (species-Tarsius bancanus). (photo of tarsier from Frans Lanting, the Netherlands)

    Fig. 5 On the left – the head of a dogu statue (Hokkaido Island; from the collection of the Japanese archaeologist, Keisaku Ochiai). The left pupil of the Dogu anthropoid eye is reduced to a narrow horizontal slit, while the right eye has an oval pupil. (Source of the original photo, website:https://www.rekihaku.ac.jp/english/outline/publication/rekihaku/103/witness.html). On the right is a photo of a Philippine tarsier, whose pupils are also reduced in different ways (source of the tarsier photo: http://www.photosight.ru/photos/4138064/).

    Fig. 6 On the left: the head of the” northern ” Dogu (Tohoku region). It is relatively large and round. Huge eyes have the shape of an oval, the nose is small and flat, and the nasal openings (nostrils) look to the sides (photo source: https://item.rakuten.co.jp.) Right: Tarsius bancanus. His eyes are also oval in shape, his nose is small and flat, and his nostrils look out to the sides. (Photo source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jordansitorus/747118786/, photographer: Jordan Sitorus).

    Could Tarsius sapiens have existed ? The transition of tarsiers to a terrestrial lifestyle and bipedal locomotion is theoretically possible. If this possibility is allowed, the question inevitably arises: could the bipedality of the “ground Tarzius” have “pulled” the evolution of their minds? In other words, could the “ground tarsiers” have produced their own species of intelligent primates, Tarsius sapiens? There are enough reasons for this assumption – after all, all Dogu are depicted in clothes! The question of the degree of intelligence of “Tarzan of Japan” is the most difficult one in the version about the tarsier nature of dogu figurines. It requires a separate conversation.

  4. A mutation can contribute to the development of the neocortex. This can happen at any time. And it may have happened more than once. But in the presence of an already highly developed creature, such as a human, the new sapiens has no chance of survival. It will be destroyed by a competing species, at a stage when it has not yet reached an equivalent level of development. This is how Neanderthals and possibly other Homo species died.

  5. You can only talk about this if a person dies out. Now it has very tightly occupied an ecological niche, and there is simply no place for intermediate forms under the sun. The correct question is whether intelligence and civilization will develop again if Homo goes extinct.

    No one knows the answer to this question. It is extremely difficult to estimate the probability of such a development based on a single manifestation. In any case, it is very small, since all other species have found other ways of survival.

  6. It is precisely in the same form as with humans that the evolution of another animal cannot be repeated at present, since the ecological niche of an independent intelligent being is already occupied, and the acquisition of intelligence by an animal will not give the same evolutionary advantages.

    But over time, a symbiotic human mind can develop (naturally or artificially) (for example, in a domestic dog). This is a completely different evolutionary situation, since the dog's brain is immersed from the very beginning in a stream of complex information signals created by humans, and the dog is physically surrounded by human material culture (it does not need to create tools itself, but it needs a mind to use ready-made ones). By the way, observations show that the cognitive abilities of dogs noticeably improve in a certain historical period, that is, at lightning speed by the standards of biological evolution.

    Or another mind may develop in the event of human extinction, when the ecological niche is freed up.

  7. As long as there is a human being on earth, this will not happen. Man hinders the hegemony of other animal species. Even among the subspecies of homo sapiens, there was a struggle for existence . And the Neanderthals lost it. However, if humans become severely weakened, degraded, or disappear altogether on Earth, then competition for hegemony will begin among other animal species. Then, and perhaps, some species will be able to progress quickly. Now the most promising species of mammals is rats.

  8. First, the person himself needs to become intelligent to begin with, the habit of all primates to shit in their habitats in Homo is not exterminated, and if the population of monkeys is controlled by external factors, then people have overcome external factors, but they themselves have not learned to control the birth rate. So soon, in the event of a military conflict on earth, the Sapiens vacancy will open again.

  9. I remember that “we descended from monkeys (chimpanzees, like) because we share 95 percent of our genes and correct me if I'm wrong, but the cucumber, watermelon and cloud are 98 percent water and it is doubtful that the cucumber came from the cloud, which in turn came from the watermelon.

    The fact that yesterday was still a monkey, and today – a man! It would be nice to have a hamster or plankton!

    I mean, I think that the” maturation ” in the carcass of a guinea pig of the future intelligent is unlikely.

    No, I know that there are other animals (here they offer to consider forty birds as candidates): snakes (wise in all epics), dogs (they understand everything – they can't say it), parrots (they can speak obscenities at all!), etc., but the option is the same.

    In the end, you need to understand that canids (wolves, bears) are much older than Homo Sapiens and nothing, homo sapiens has already understood, and they both waved their tails and waved.

    Something doesn't add up. No, guys, there won't be any smarter pigs (farmers, as far as I know, consider pigs to be the smartest animals).

  10. Darwin also claimed that whales were descended from bears who were very fond of swimming. So the future is very interesting for us, everyone will turn into each other. But it is better not to believe in this nonsense.

  11. I believe that for the further evolutionary development of other primate species, as well as humans, a really powerful incentive is needed.try to relocate several thousand monkeys from warm Africa to at least the southern regions of Russia, you can risk a little further north…I think that the desire to survive in a cool climate will provoke the development of intelligence in most individuals.It's a radical method, but it's science, damn it.what you can't do for the sake of science.we humans,on the other hand, are experimenting on ourselves, trying to survive in the wild with one knife in our hand.

  12. There's no chance. Evolution lasts for millions of years. Civilizations, and along with them, animal worlds live literally for millennia, then everything is reset from the” genetic funds ” to get the source materials add the necessary information and the experiment continues with other source data. Currently, life on Earth is artificially maintained in the form of an illusory matrix. This is not a secret for a long time, even in ancient manuscripts it is written about.

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