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  1. An absolute achievement. Atheism is a scientific worldview aimed at studying the world around us and revealing its secrets, and not at composing fairy tales.

  2. The “EITHER-OR” LOGIC is usually grossly erroneous in such matters (this black-and-white very simplified logic is low – scientific, everyday).

    THE LOGIC of “And-And” exactly corresponds to the synthetic truth-in atheism there are Both positive And negative: positive in terms of useful criticism of the mistakes of religions with the involvement of science, negative in the old erroneous miracle description of the mechanism of the appearance of living matter from absolutely dead matter.

  3. In my opinion, it is incorrect to speak of atheism itself as a degradation or achievement.

    I often write that religion in society has the main task of creating ethics.

    Atheism does not deal with ethics in principle. Atheism is a level of metaphysics. Therefore, it is important to understand whether atheism is supported by an ethical component.

    A striking example in this regard is the difference between communist and liberal atheism. Communists, on the one hand, have an active struggle against God, and on the other hand, the code of the builder of communism is no less strict than religious requirements, and the punishment for violating moral laws is much faster and weightier than that of religion. In liberal-Voltaire atheism, religion must be destroyed, because it interferes with the natural desires of man. It is better to steal, kill, and rape than to believe in a nonexistent god. Such atheism is, of course, degradation.

    Therefore, my position is that development and degradation can only be judged by the ethics that a particular teaching carries. If ethics is correct and takes a person out of the animal state, forcing him to become better-progress, if ethics forces a person to turn into an animal, or even into a beast – this is regression. In this regard, Christianity, both Orthodox and Catholic, is an absolute progress, communism in the Soviet version is also progress, although with shortcomings, but liberateism or Wahhabism is a certain regression (although the first is atheism, and the second is religion).

  4. Atheism is neither an achievement nor a degradation, but simply the complete opposite of religious views. If representatives of religions categorically say that God exists and do not allow any doubt, then atheists say that there is no God and try to prove it with the help of science. But they have a conversation like a blind person with a deaf person. In fact, the truth, as always, is in the middle. Of course, there is a God, but everyone understands him in their own way. God absolutely does not need intermediaries between him and people, which are religious organizations of various kinds. But this is a big business, who will refuse it?

    I think so. and you?

  5. Not this or that. Because atheism is different. Sometimes atheism is ignorant. This is when a person simply has not grown up to put the question of the existence of the Divine in front of him and answer it. He is an atheist because someone else in authority said so. By the way, these are the majority. And this is a clear degradation.
    They deny the concept of God, and when you ask “what is God?”, the maximum that they will tell you is about the grandfather on the cloud.

    These little children are neither believers nor atheists. There is no such thing as a God in their universe. Therefore, they can not treat it in any way.

    There are, however, atheists like Nietzsche. They will answer the question of what God is and prove with good reason that he does not exist. To do this, you really need to have an outstanding mind.

  6. As Chesterton rightly said, when people stop believing in God, they start believing in everything else. So atheism is only a step towards further degradation.

  7. Oswald Spengler makes a rather interesting point on this point.

    Every culture has its own sunrise and sunset. The decline of culture is its transition to civilization.

    Civilization is the inevitable fate of culture; the future West is not a boundless movement forward and upward along the line of our ideals… Modernity is a phase of civilization, not of culture. In this regard, a number of life contents disappear as impossible… As soon as the goal is achieved, and all the fullness of internal possibilities is completed and realized outside, the culture suddenly stiffens, it dies, its blood coagulates, its strength breaks down – it becomes a civilization. And it, a huge dead tree in the primeval forest, can still grow its rotten branches for many centuries.

    One of the signs of the death of culture, along with urbanization, wars and the degradation of art, Spengler considers atheism and materialism.

  8. Understanding that there will be no retribution, no second tries, no endless reward for all the things that we do,
    that life is fleeting and finite,
    that there is no one responsible for our destiny, but ourselves,
    what support people need to find myself and/or close people,
    what kind of morality, they direct the formation and adherence to them everyone is responsible yourself
    – it is unconditional and obvious progress.
    Perhaps it is for the best that people in this field are progressing individually.

  9. An achievement, of course. If science is able to explain complex things scientifically, and not “By the Will of God”, then this is a great progress relative to the same Middle Ages, where I would have been carried to the stake for this statement.

  10. It seems to me that achievement is not atheism or lack of it. Achievement is respect for a person regardless of their religion or lack of it. It doesn't matter what a person believes or doesn't believe, except in cases where his beliefs push him to violate the law and moral norms. And degradation is when people are forcibly drawn into the faith or, on the contrary, deprived of it. Or, when people start manipulating their religion to achieve their own selfish goals: for example, yesterday they were communists, atheists, security officers, and today they are already crossing themselves in front of the camera to raise their political rating and sprinkle holy water on nuclear warheads.

  11. Denial has simply become fashionable, and does not carry any deep beliefs.

    It does not occur to young atheists that religion is the same moral norms, standard rules, only wrapped in an attractive wrapper with some ritual apparatus. Atheists “with experience” usually have good reasons, reasons not to believe in God, and as such there can be no claims to them.

    It's not good and it's not bad – it's nothing. It seems to me that this fashion for atheism will be followed by the Orthodox Renaissance or something even more interesting, and then we will see if atheists remain atheists or not.

  12. Atheism is not a stage of social consciousness at all. People who deny the existence of god/gods and anything transcendent in general have always been in all civilizations. Only an ideology can be a stage or level of public consciousness. And ideology can be anything, Stalinism, for example, is peculiar to atheists who replace God with Stalin, Orthodoxy is also an ideology, only religious. And only ideology can determine the progress of social consciousness (depending on what is defined as progress, often the definition of progress is also given by ideology), while atheism and faith have always been and will always remain a form of manifestation of materialism and idealism, respectively.

  13. Atheism is disbelief, it is also a form of religion. Quite peculiar.:)

    Everyone creates a” convenient God “or lack of It, without finding a place for” God's providence ” in their worldview…

    IMHO of course.

  14. There is a time for everything. At one time, religion separated people from animals, created a culture, formed states and peoples, and exalted man above his own nature. The period of religiosity was a serious and important stage in the formation of a person. If you look at the development of ideas about the deity (previously, deities) as you follow the stages of self-awareness development, you can see how the ability to think abstractly progresses. � If there is a G-d ( and this can happen) then atheism is necessary for its knowledge, like apophatic theology – it is necessary to understand what is not G-d. Understand that we do not live in a “fair world” where the victim is “to blame”. To admit the absence of an “eternal soul”, to understand where the ideas about hell and paradise came from. Understand yourself and the world, not by taking it on faith, but by checking all statements. Give up the painful dependence on rituals. Learn critical and rational thinking. Understand the laws of the world and your own consciousness as much as possible. �All that “faith” that can be destroyed by knowledge must be destroyed – such faith is worthless, it is not faith, but stupidity. Perhaps, by throwing away the husk of ignorance, prejudice, traditions, overcoming the inertia, laziness and cowardice of our own mind, we will get to the “core”, but this knowledge will be completely different from the religiosity that we have now, knowledge does not need religion. worship, supplication, and demeaning yourself to the status of a slave. I think atheism is a major achievement at the moment.

  15. You can look at this question from different angles. On the one hand, commitment and understanding of the scientific picture of the world, firstly, deprives illusions, certain hopes, and as they say: killed hope, became independent. A person moves away from fatalism, manages his life, makes decisions, perhaps becomes a critical thinker, his thinking as a whole progresses. However, on a universal scale, a departure from such public institutions as religion can negatively affect psychological experiences and feelings. I once read an article by M. Litvak, who, in general, retold previously accumulated in culture, psychology, in particular, theories, knowledge about the origin of religion, which was initially due to the fear of death, awareness of the end, which in turn generates awareness of the differences between man and inanimate nature, then awareness of the differences from living nature – animals in the first place, and then the awareness that man is different from other people, awareness that leads to loneliness and fear about this. So religion also changed with the appearance of each new awareness: initially, nature was deified (animism), then animals (let's recall Ancient Egypt and India), then human-shaped beings became deities (the famous ancient gods), and the birth of monotheistic religions. Religion has a significant psychotherapeutic effect, it has been repeatedly stated that a religious person avoids neuroses, his loneliness is blunted to a greater extent, because there is always support, there is faith in it. Not everyone, in the absence of a religious system, would have been able to cope, apparently, with existential life problems.

    So how this perception of the world would affect the behavior and lives of the masses of people is an ambiguous question.

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